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    <p begin="00:00:01.11" dur="00:00:02.18">&gt;&gt; Bob Axelrod: Welcome and good afternoon.</p>
    <p begin="00:00:03.29" dur="00:00:05.36">I&apos;m Bob Axelrod, Walgreen Professor for<br/>the Study of Human Understanding here</p>
    <p begin="00:00:08.65" dur="00:00:03.31">in the Ford School and in the<br/>Department of Political Science.</p>
    <p begin="00:00:11.96" dur="00:00:04.82">It&apos;s my pleasure to welcome you all here today<br/>on behalf of the International Policy Center</p>
    <p begin="00:00:16.78" dur="00:00:04.05">at Ford and our co-sponsor today,<br/>The Center for the Middle East,</p>
    <p begin="00:00:20.83" dur="00:00:02.64">Middle Eastern and North African Studies.</p>
    <p begin="00:00:23.47" dur="00:00:06.51">And as -- we&apos;re pleased to Rami Khouri here<br/>today and I look forward to your talk very much</p>
    <p begin="00:00:29.98" dur="00:00:03.70">but before we hear from him<br/>let me introduce Norman Bishara</p>
    <p begin="00:00:33.68" dur="00:00:01.82">who will tell you a little<br/>bit more about our speaker.</p>
    <p begin="00:00:35.50" dur="00:00:06.54">Norman is an Assistant Professor of Business<br/>Law and Ethics at the Ross School of Business.</p>
    <p begin="00:00:42.04" dur="00:00:03.82">He has a master&apos;s degree in<br/>public policy from the Ford School</p>
    <p begin="00:00:45.86" dur="00:00:02.15">and he&apos;s also chair of the<br/>Ford School Alumni Board.</p>
    <p begin="00:00:48.01" dur="00:00:04.03">He holds a law degree from Cornell<br/>and he currently conducts research</p>
    <p begin="00:00:52.04" dur="00:00:03.93">on cooperative governments,<br/>international legal reform,</p>
    <p begin="00:00:55.97" dur="00:00:02.52">and business ethics in the developing world.</p>
    <p begin="00:00:58.49" dur="00:00:04.77">He&apos;s also a project consultant with the<br/>Lebanese Transparency Association in Beirut</p>
    <p begin="00:01:03.26" dur="00:00:04.55">where he co-authored the first Lebanese<br/>Code of Cooperative Governments.</p>
    <p begin="00:01:07.81" dur="00:00:02.82">Norm, I give you the pleasure<br/>of introducing our speaker.</p>
    <p begin="00:01:16.63" dur="00:00:04.19">&gt;&gt; Norman Bishara: Thanks, Bob, and thanks,<br/>special thanks to of course the Center</p>
    <p begin="00:01:20.82" dur="00:00:03.54">for Middle East and North African Studies and<br/>to the International Policy Center, Jan Svejnar,</p>
    <p begin="00:01:24.36" dur="00:00:04.69">the Director who couldn&apos;t be here today but also<br/>special thanks to Zana Kwaiser who is on staff</p>
    <p begin="00:01:29.05" dur="00:00:04.86">at the Center and who put together all of the<br/>details of Rami&apos;s visit from start to finish.</p>
    <p begin="00:01:33.91" dur="00:00:01.94">We&apos;re lucky to have Rami Khouri here.</p>
    <p begin="00:01:35.85" dur="00:00:05.22">He comes to us from Beirut by way of Boston<br/>which gives you a sense of how much he travels.</p>
    <p begin="00:01:41.07" dur="00:00:04.77">He, if you can construe Rami&apos;s<br/>career and professional --</p>
    <p begin="00:01:45.84" dur="00:00:04.16">personal and professional lives you can sort<br/>of look at it in terms of a long journey.</p>
    <p begin="00:01:50.00" dur="00:00:04.08">He grew up in Switzerland<br/>and the U.S. and Jordan.</p>
    <p begin="00:01:54.08" dur="00:00:01.61">He now lives in Beirut.</p>
    <p begin="00:01:55.69" dur="00:00:07.16">He is often in the U.S. He is affiliated with<br/>several universities and great policy schools,</p>
    <p begin="00:02:02.85" dur="00:00:06.19">the Kennedy School, Fletcher -- the Fletcher<br/>School at Tufts, Syracuse&apos;s Maxwell School,</p>
    <p begin="00:02:09.04" dur="00:00:02.61">as well as Harvard&apos;s Kennedy School.</p>
    <p begin="00:02:11.65" dur="00:00:03.68">And University of Chicago&apos;s Harris School<br/>as well, I don&apos;t know if I mentioned that.</p>
    <p begin="00:02:15.33" dur="00:00:03.32">But in practice he&apos;s still a<br/>journalist as he is by training.</p>
    <p begin="00:02:18.65" dur="00:00:04.90">He holds two degrees, an undergraduate and<br/>a graduate degree from Syracuse University</p>
    <p begin="00:02:23.55" dur="00:00:01.88">and as a journalist he still practices.</p>
    <p begin="00:02:25.43" dur="00:00:04.96">He contributes at least two<br/>pieces per week in syndication.</p>
    <p begin="00:02:30.39" dur="00:00:04.62">I don&apos;t know if you saw his most recent New<br/>York Times op ed piece but it is a must read.</p>
    <p begin="00:02:35.01" dur="00:00:02.96">And- but many of you know him through<br/>that writing but you also know him</p>
    <p begin="00:02:37.97" dur="00:00:04.20">through other outlets so you may have<br/>seen him on not only in the New York Times</p>
    <p begin="00:02:42.17" dur="00:00:03.80">but you see him on various U.S.<br/>shows such as the Charlie Rose Show</p>
    <p begin="00:02:45.97" dur="00:00:04.34">or you may recognize his voice for the<br/>Diane Rehm Show where is often contributing</p>
    <p begin="00:02:50.31" dur="00:00:04.88">to the Friday news roundup<br/>in the International Section.</p>
    <p begin="00:02:55.19" dur="00:00:01.47">But Rhami is a bit more than that.</p>
    <p begin="00:02:56.66" dur="00:00:03.29">He is also the Director of the Issam Fares<br/>Center at the American University in Beirut</p>
    <p begin="00:02:59.95" dur="00:00:03.60">and the Founding Director which really gives<br/>you a sense of how much influence he has there,</p>
    <p begin="00:03:03.55" dur="00:00:04.40">not just in journalism but also<br/>as a policy maker in the region.</p>
    <p begin="00:03:07.95" dur="00:00:04.07">In that sense, he often is seen as the voice<br/>of the Middle East translating really difficult</p>
    <p begin="00:03:12.02" dur="00:00:03.30">and complex Middle East policy problems<br/>for audiences all over the world,</p>
    <p begin="00:03:15.32" dur="00:00:05.99">particularly in the U.S. Not an easy task<br/>to stay impartial but to be still be candid</p>
    <p begin="00:03:21.31" dur="00:00:02.54">and critical and yet very deeply respected.</p>
    <p begin="00:03:23.85" dur="00:00:02.90">So we&apos;re very lucky to have<br/>him here today and I now turn</p>
    <p begin="00:03:26.75" dur="00:00:01.80">over the mic to our guest, Rhami Khouri.</p>
    <p begin="00:03:28.55" dur="00:00:00.96">Thank you.</p>
    <p begin="00:03:29.51" dur="00:00:09.08">[ Applause ]</p>
    <p begin="00:03:38.59" dur="00:00:00.70">&gt;&gt; Rhami Khouri: Thank you.</p>
    <p begin="00:03:39.29" dur="00:00:03.97">Thank you very much Norm and Bob.</p>
    <p begin="00:03:43.26" dur="00:00:02.36">Thank you for having me here.</p>
    <p begin="00:03:45.62" dur="00:00:02.68">I&apos;m delighted to be at the<br/>University of Michigan.</p>
    <p begin="00:03:48.30" dur="00:00:02.93">I was trying to time my visit<br/>so I can catch a football game</p>
    <p begin="00:03:51.23" dur="00:00:03.25">or a basketball game and<br/>it didn&apos;t work very well.</p>
    <p begin="00:03:54.48" dur="00:00:04.75">They told me that there&apos;s a hockey game outdoors<br/>Saturday so I&apos;m getting out of here tonight.</p>
    <p begin="00:03:59.23" dur="00:00:05.82">So I&apos;m into American sports but I&apos;m not sure<br/>I could quite handle that but I will be back</p>
    <p begin="00:04:05.05" dur="00:00:05.54">and watch a football game and congratulations<br/>for getting into a bowl game this year again.</p>
    <p begin="00:04:10.59" dur="00:00:06.05">Your team, like mine, Syracuse, is on the<br/>up and up again, so the future is bright.</p>
    <p begin="00:04:16.64" dur="00:00:04.90">I want to thank the International Policy<br/>Center and the Center for Middle Eastern</p>
    <p begin="00:04:21.54" dur="00:00:07.52">and North African Studies for co-hosting this<br/>and particularly Norm Bishara and Zana Kwaiser</p>
    <p begin="00:04:29.06" dur="00:00:09.26">for all their work and having this happen<br/>and I&apos;m delighted to be here with old friends</p>
    <p begin="00:04:38.32" dur="00:00:03.08">and family, cousins, and<br/>friends from high school days</p>
    <p begin="00:04:41.40" dur="00:00:03.33">and acquaintances from over the years.</p>
    <p begin="00:04:44.73" dur="00:00:04.59">And I&apos;m, as Norm mentioned,<br/>I&apos;m a journalist by background.</p>
    <p begin="00:04:49.32" dur="00:00:07.45">I&apos;ve spent about 40 years working in the Middle<br/>East, mostly -- totally in the Middle East.</p>
    <p begin="00:04:56.77" dur="00:00:05.09">Working as a journalist, reporting,<br/>writing, analyzing, observing,</p>
    <p begin="00:05:01.86" dur="00:00:04.21">trying to understand what&apos;s happening<br/>in the Middle East and I&apos;m --</p>
    <p begin="00:05:06.07" dur="00:00:04.68">in late middle age I decided to try to gain<br/>some respectability and moved into academia</p>
    <p begin="00:05:10.75" dur="00:00:04.52">so I&apos;m masquerading as a semi-academic<br/>by running this policy institute</p>
    <p begin="00:05:15.27" dur="00:00:01.88">at The American University of Beirut.</p>
    <p begin="00:05:17.15" dur="00:00:06.55">But I&apos;m really here to share with you<br/>my analyses and ideas that I generate</p>
    <p begin="00:05:23.70" dur="00:00:05.70">from my journalistic work which primarily means<br/>going around the region, talking to people all</p>
    <p begin="00:05:29.40" dur="00:00:05.06">over the Middle East, interacting with all<br/>kinds of people from all levels of society</p>
    <p begin="00:05:34.46" dur="00:00:08.89">and all different kinds of countries, going to<br/>Iran, going to the Arab-Israeli conflict areas,</p>
    <p begin="00:05:43.35" dur="00:00:03.86">Israel, Palestine, all over the region.</p>
    <p begin="00:05:47.21" dur="00:00:06.71">I&apos;ve traveled in the last 40 years and<br/>I&apos;ve watched the development of the region</p>
    <p begin="00:05:53.92" dur="00:00:04.54">from inside the Middle East in the last<br/>four decades or so and I&apos;d like to share</p>
    <p begin="00:05:58.46" dur="00:00:04.31">with you my analysis of what I<br/>believe is actually going on in terms</p>
    <p begin="00:06:02.77" dur="00:00:05.23">of the new power equations<br/>that are emerging in our region</p>
    <p begin="00:06:08.00" dur="00:00:04.57">which are woefully almost criminally<br/>underreported in this country.</p>
    <p begin="00:06:12.57" dur="00:00:03.23">As those of you who follow<br/>the Middle East probably know</p>
    <p begin="00:06:15.80" dur="00:00:04.46">that the American press is not very good at<br/>covering the realities of the Middle East.</p>
    <p begin="00:06:20.26" dur="00:00:07.00">It tends to be superficial, biased,<br/>ideologically driven, emotionally exaggerated,</p>
    <p begin="00:06:27.26" dur="00:00:05.33">and has many faults and I know this from working<br/>with many colleagues in the American media.</p>
    <p begin="00:06:32.59" dur="00:00:03.73">And the American media does some excellent<br/>reporting but not on the Middle East,</p>
    <p begin="00:06:36.32" dur="00:00:03.68">unfortunately, not on the Arab-Israeli<br/>conflict, not on the Arab World,</p>
    <p begin="00:06:40.00" dur="00:00:02.87">and now, not on the Islamic world either.</p>
    <p begin="00:06:42.87" dur="00:00:06.43">So I would like to try to possibly<br/>give you a more accurate view possibly,</p>
    <p begin="00:06:49.30" dur="00:00:03.25">maybe a more complete view, a more nuanced view</p>
    <p begin="00:06:52.55" dur="00:00:03.51">of what I believe is actually<br/>going on in the region.</p>
    <p begin="00:06:56.06" dur="00:00:04.82">And I think there are some really very important<br/>things that are going on that have been going</p>
    <p begin="00:07:00.88" dur="00:00:07.43">on for the last 20 years or so and<br/>that deserve much more I think accurate</p>
    <p begin="00:07:08.31" dur="00:00:02.28">and dispassionate analysis.</p>
    <p begin="00:07:10.59" dur="00:00:05.91">The area I&apos;m talking about is<br/>essentially the Arab world mainly</p>
    <p begin="00:07:16.50" dur="00:00:06.12">but what I&apos;m saying also applies to a little bit<br/>to Turkey and Iran and Israel, in some cases,</p>
    <p begin="00:07:22.62" dur="00:00:05.19">but I&apos;m mainly talking about,<br/>about the Arab world at one level</p>
    <p begin="00:07:27.81" dur="00:00:03.57">and other things, slightly broader perspective.</p>
    <p begin="00:07:31.38" dur="00:00:04.22">But when you look at the Middle East, you<br/>essentially I believe have four players;</p>
    <p begin="00:07:35.60" dur="00:00:05.29">the Arabs, the Israeli&apos;s,<br/>the Turks, and the Iranians.</p>
    <p begin="00:07:40.89" dur="00:00:05.90">You also have -- those are the four indigenous<br/>players and you have external players.</p>
    <p begin="00:07:46.79" dur="00:00:05.67">The United States is now engaged in two wars<br/>in the region, has 20 or 30 military bases all</p>
    <p begin="00:07:52.46" dur="00:00:06.00">over the area and so the U.S.<br/>is a major player as well now.</p>
    <p begin="00:07:58.46" dur="00:00:05.02">And some of the other foreign forces -<br/>the Europeans, the Russians, the Chinese -</p>
    <p begin="00:08:03.48" dur="00:00:04.60">are there in economic terms, cultural terms,<br/>political, military, and different ways</p>
    <p begin="00:08:08.08" dur="00:00:04.75">but essentially we&apos;re talking about Arabs,<br/>Turks, Iranians, and Israelis who interact</p>
    <p begin="00:08:12.83" dur="00:00:06.08">to create the realities that<br/>are defining our region today.</p>
    <p begin="00:08:18.91" dur="00:00:04.49">The first point I want to make is that<br/>all of the realities of our region,</p>
    <p begin="00:08:23.40" dur="00:00:05.70">every dimension of life in the Middle East and<br/>certainly in the Arab world is in the process</p>
    <p begin="00:08:29.10" dur="00:00:02.99">of significant and ongoing change.</p>
    <p begin="00:08:32.09" dur="00:00:09.36">This is a region that is often portrayed in the<br/>Western and American media, is often portrayed</p>
    <p begin="00:08:41.45" dur="00:00:03.98">as one-dimensional, as, you<br/>know, the Arabs are like that.</p>
    <p begin="00:08:45.43" dur="00:00:01.17">The Muslims are like that.</p>
    <p begin="00:08:46.60" dur="00:00:03.73">This is how they are and this is<br/>how we have to deal with them.</p>
    <p begin="00:08:50.33" dur="00:00:04.54">The reality is that this region is<br/>neither monolithic in its behavior</p>
    <p begin="00:08:54.87" dur="00:00:03.46">or attitudes or thinking nor is it static.</p>
    <p begin="00:08:58.33" dur="00:00:02.51">It&apos;s constantly evolving.</p>
    <p begin="00:09:00.84" dur="00:00:07.57">Every level of society and I would mention<br/>six; the citizen, this community, the society,</p>
    <p begin="00:09:08.41" dur="00:00:05.87">the government, the country as a whole, the<br/>region of the Middle East, and the Middle East,</p>
    <p begin="00:09:14.28" dur="00:00:05.24">and the world -- those six levels of<br/>analysis, every one of them is in the process</p>
    <p begin="00:09:19.52" dur="00:00:04.13">of significant and ongoing change.</p>
    <p begin="00:09:23.65" dur="00:00:06.12">All of these dimensions have been changing<br/>I believe most seriously since the end</p>
    <p begin="00:09:29.77" dur="00:00:05.45">of the Cold War, about 20 years ago and I can<br/>see there&apos;s some people in this room, like me,</p>
    <p begin="00:09:35.22" dur="00:00:02.32">old enough to remember the Cold War.</p>
    <p begin="00:09:37.54" dur="00:00:05.72">And as you know, around 1990 when the<br/>Cold War ended there were a lot of changes</p>
    <p begin="00:09:43.26" dur="00:00:06.38">around the world and there were a lot of<br/>changes triggered by the end of the Cold War</p>
    <p begin="00:09:49.64" dur="00:00:05.78">in the Middle East except for<br/>really two major changes --</p>
    <p begin="00:09:55.42" dur="00:00:05.42">foreign military interventions didn&apos;t<br/>end and no democracy took place.</p>
    <p begin="00:10:00.84" dur="00:00:03.07">No democrat-- no democratic<br/>transformation took place</p>
    <p begin="00:10:03.91" dur="00:00:03.33">in the Middle East unlike<br/>much of the rest of the world.</p>
    <p begin="00:10:07.24" dur="00:00:08.35">But the -- all the main aspects of life started<br/>to evolve because of the end of the Cold War,</p>
    <p begin="00:10:15.59" dur="00:00:02.85">because of economic pressures,<br/>because some Arabs,</p>
    <p begin="00:10:18.44" dur="00:00:02.79">Egypt and Jordan signed peace<br/>treaties with Israel.</p>
    <p begin="00:10:21.23" dur="00:00:06.48">There were a combination of reasons why this<br/>region started to evolve more dynamically</p>
    <p begin="00:10:27.71" dur="00:00:03.96">and what happened really in the early<br/>1990&apos;s really started in the late,</p>
    <p begin="00:10:31.67" dur="00:00:04.81">in the 1980&apos;s with the economic<br/>pressures and the --</p>
    <p begin="00:10:36.48" dur="00:00:04.11">which forced some governments to liberalize<br/>in the Arab world, not democratize</p>
    <p begin="00:10:40.59" dur="00:00:05.63">but to liberalize, to open up and to allow their<br/>people more space to behave as normal people</p>
    <p begin="00:10:46.22" dur="00:00:04.79">in politics, in economics, in culture, in<br/>arts, and the different aspects of life.</p>
    <p begin="00:10:51.01" dur="00:00:06.09">What happened was that a whole series of<br/>forces were unleashed in Arab societies</p>
    <p begin="00:10:57.10" dur="00:00:03.55">where people could express<br/>themselves a little bit more openly,</p>
    <p begin="00:11:00.65" dur="00:00:03.53">be involved in civil society<br/>groups, maybe vote in an election,</p>
    <p begin="00:11:04.18" dur="00:00:03.54">and speak out in the media more openly.</p>
    <p begin="00:11:07.72" dur="00:00:06.07">And you had essentially the<br/>what I call the resumption</p>
    <p begin="00:11:13.79" dur="00:00:04.89">of history happened in, around<br/>1990 in the Arab World.</p>
    <p begin="00:11:18.68" dur="00:00:04.89">That a region that had been frozen essentially<br/>politically and ideologically was frozen</p>
    <p begin="00:11:23.57" dur="00:00:03.46">for half a century because of the Cold<br/>War and the Arab-Israeli conflict,</p>
    <p begin="00:11:27.03" dur="00:00:02.37">in the early 90&apos;s started to evolve again.</p>
    <p begin="00:11:29.40" dur="00:00:04.24">And forces that had always been there<br/>-- religious sentiment, tribal forces,</p>
    <p begin="00:11:33.64" dur="00:00:04.84">private sector, civil society, democracy,<br/>women&apos;s movements, groups, socials, artists,</p>
    <p begin="00:11:38.48" dur="00:00:06.76">students -- all of these things all existed in<br/>society but all had been suppressed by the lids</p>
    <p begin="00:11:45.24" dur="00:00:06.18">that had been holding this region static,<br/>the lids of the Arab-Israeli conflict,</p>
    <p begin="00:11:51.42" dur="00:00:02.63">the state building imperative, the Cold War,</p>
    <p begin="00:11:54.05" dur="00:00:04.29">and the emergence of the Modern<br/>Arab Security State in the 1970&apos;s.</p>
    <p begin="00:11:58.34" dur="00:00:05.58">All of these things, all of these<br/>things kept the region relatively static</p>
    <p begin="00:12:03.92" dur="00:00:08.75">and as these lids came off one by one, the<br/>region resumed a normal evolutionary process</p>
    <p begin="00:12:12.67" dur="00:00:05.77">where individuals and groups and all kinds<br/>of people in society started to behave</p>
    <p begin="00:12:18.44" dur="00:00:04.66">like people do in a normal society to<br/>express themselves, to mobilize, to organize,</p>
    <p begin="00:12:23.10" dur="00:00:05.97">to challenge authority, to express ideas,<br/>to work for change, to have a resumption</p>
    <p begin="00:12:29.07" dur="00:00:04.76">of history, to have a normal historical<br/>process of change and transformation going on.</p>
    <p begin="00:12:33.83" dur="00:00:06.19">And now we can see some -- a few things that<br/>we couldn&apos;t really see before very clearly.</p>
    <p begin="00:12:40.02" dur="00:00:04.27">We could see them, they were under the surface<br/>but now they&apos;re up, out into the public.</p>
    <p begin="00:12:44.29" dur="00:00:04.55">First of all, people are expressing what<br/>they feel in various ways, in the media</p>
    <p begin="00:12:48.84" dur="00:00:03.10">and public opinion polls,<br/>occasionally in voting.</p>
    <p begin="00:12:51.94" dur="00:00:02.83">They are expressing themselves more clearly.</p>
    <p begin="00:12:54.77" dur="00:00:03.11">We can see the main players in society.</p>
    <p begin="00:12:57.88" dur="00:00:04.37">Who are the actors now in Arab<br/>society and there is many of them.</p>
    <p begin="00:13:02.25" dur="00:00:03.95">Religious groups, tribal groups, business<br/>groups, government people, political people,</p>
    <p begin="00:13:06.20" dur="00:00:02.79">artists, cultural -- there are<br/>all kinds of people who are active</p>
    <p begin="00:13:08.99" dur="00:00:02.15">in society and now you can see the actors.</p>
    <p begin="00:13:11.14" dur="00:00:05.62">Before they were mostly suppressed unless<br/>they were authorized by the government</p>
    <p begin="00:13:16.76" dur="00:00:07.20">and we can see the connections between<br/>different aspects of life, economic pressure,</p>
    <p begin="00:13:23.96" dur="00:00:04.14">political pressure, ideological<br/>issues, environmental stress,</p>
    <p begin="00:13:28.10" dur="00:00:03.04">all the different aspects of<br/>life within these countries.</p>
    <p begin="00:13:31.14" dur="00:00:02.79">And then regional issues --<br/>the Arab-Israeli conflict,</p>
    <p begin="00:13:33.93" dur="00:00:03.33">relations with Iran, foreign<br/>armies coming at us.</p>
    <p begin="00:13:37.26" dur="00:00:02.43">You can now see the connections between these.</p>
    <p begin="00:13:39.69" dur="00:00:05.66">We see the stakes that are -- we, we<br/>know what&apos;s at stake now very clearly</p>
    <p begin="00:13:45.35" dur="00:00:06.25">because people are expressing their concerns<br/>and there&apos;s a more active political, cultural,</p>
    <p begin="00:13:51.60" dur="00:00:03.69">economic, and social dialog<br/>taking place in these societies.</p>
    <p begin="00:13:55.29" dur="00:00:11.44">And therefore we have what I believe is a new<br/>configuration of power in the region which is,</p>
    <p begin="00:14:06.73" dur="00:00:06.96">which I would summarize by basically saying<br/>there are three conglomerations of power,</p>
    <p begin="00:14:13.69" dur="00:00:05.40">legitimacy, and authority that are now<br/>active and you can see these three groups</p>
    <p begin="00:14:19.09" dur="00:00:05.31">in the shorthand that I call the<br/>market, the monarch, and the mosque.</p>
    <p begin="00:14:24.40" dur="00:00:06.47">The market is the business sector,<br/>private enterprise, civil society --</p>
    <p begin="00:14:30.87" dur="00:00:03.17">all of these groups who work<br/>independently in society.</p>
    <p begin="00:14:34.04" dur="00:00:05.79">The monarch is the political authority, whether<br/>it&apos;s a Republic or a Kingdom or an Emirate,</p>
    <p begin="00:14:39.83" dur="00:00:03.78">it doesn&apos;t matter what&apos;s the form of<br/>government but the political authority</p>
    <p begin="00:14:43.61" dur="00:00:04.19">with its multiple layers of security<br/>guards and military groups and police</p>
    <p begin="00:14:47.80" dur="00:00:01.76">and armies and intelligence agencies.</p>
    <p begin="00:14:49.56" dur="00:00:06.07">They have massive security complexes that<br/>now define the modern Arab security state</p>
    <p begin="00:14:55.63" dur="00:00:05.23">and all of the people linked to<br/>the governing power in society.</p>
    <p begin="00:15:00.86" dur="00:00:02.52">That&apos;s what I call the monarch for short.</p>
    <p begin="00:15:03.38" dur="00:00:07.61">And the mosque is the religious, tribal,<br/>ethnic identities that, not the private sector,</p>
    <p begin="00:15:10.99" dur="00:00:04.92">not the government, but these other groups<br/>in society that are extremely strong,</p>
    <p begin="00:15:15.91" dur="00:00:04.20">are now much more organized and working openly.</p>
    <p begin="00:15:20.11" dur="00:00:07.05">And between the market, the monarch, and<br/>the mosque, you now have three broad centers</p>
    <p begin="00:15:27.16" dur="00:00:05.93">of power, legitimacy, and authority<br/>that represent huge sectors of society.</p>
    <p begin="00:15:33.09" dur="00:00:01.87">They&apos;re not exactly evenly matched.</p>
    <p begin="00:15:34.96" dur="00:00:03.51">In some places the government,<br/>the monarch, is dominant.</p>
    <p begin="00:15:38.47" dur="00:00:01.88">In some cases, the market is dominant.</p>
    <p begin="00:15:40.35" dur="00:00:04.11">In some cases, the mosque and the<br/>religious tribal groups are dominant.</p>
    <p begin="00:15:44.46" dur="00:00:07.34">But these three are now creating, are engaged<br/>now in a process which I believe is historic</p>
    <p begin="00:15:51.80" dur="00:00:05.26">and significant in this region and<br/>is still evolving which is a balance</p>
    <p begin="00:15:57.06" dur="00:00:08.80">of power among three major power centers that<br/>provides an informal form of checks and balances</p>
    <p begin="00:16:05.86" dur="00:00:06.33">and that provides also something else which<br/>I believe is the rebirth or maybe we can talk</p>
    <p begin="00:16:12.19" dur="00:00:02.60">about the birth of politics in the Arab world.</p>
    <p begin="00:16:14.79" dur="00:00:05.96">For the first time in modern history, we have<br/>serious contestation of power and legitimacy</p>
    <p begin="00:16:20.75" dur="00:00:06.65">and authority among groups that are operating<br/>in public that are anchored in local society</p>
    <p begin="00:16:27.40" dur="00:00:06.30">that have huge numbers of people that they<br/>represent that are seen to be legitimate,</p>
    <p begin="00:16:33.70" dur="00:00:07.60">that are seen to be responsible,<br/>powerful, and credible actors</p>
    <p begin="00:16:41.30" dur="00:00:02.84">in society, seen by their own people.</p>
    <p begin="00:16:44.14" dur="00:00:03.90">And they are all, all of this<br/>is now happening in public.</p>
    <p begin="00:16:48.04" dur="00:00:04.31">If you&apos;re in the Middle East, if you<br/>take the time to observe what&apos;s going on,</p>
    <p begin="00:16:52.35" dur="00:00:03.82">you will see all of these things happening.</p>
    <p begin="00:16:56.17" dur="00:00:06.70">And what I think is important for us<br/>to do is to understand what this means.</p>
    <p begin="00:17:02.87" dur="00:00:06.93">I am -- the title of my talk is Rights,<br/>Respect, Resistance, and Righteousness:</p>
    <p begin="00:17:09.80" dur="00:00:02.67">The New Middle East Power Equations.</p>
    <p begin="00:17:12.47" dur="00:00:07.16">Rights, respect, resistance, and righteousness<br/>I believe are four words that capture some</p>
    <p begin="00:17:19.63" dur="00:00:07.83">of the key themes that drive many<br/>of these actors as well as driving,</p>
    <p begin="00:17:27.46" dur="00:00:05.55">as well as driving some of the<br/>foreign forces that intervene</p>
    <p begin="00:17:33.01" dur="00:00:04.19">in our societies including the American<br/>government and army and the British</p>
    <p begin="00:17:37.20" dur="00:00:03.06">and Europeans and, and, and many others.</p>
    <p begin="00:17:40.26" dur="00:00:06.07">But first of all, I think we have to<br/>ask ourselves how did we get here?</p>
    <p begin="00:17:46.33" dur="00:00:08.92">We got here by looking at -- we can understand<br/>how we got here by looking at a quick overview</p>
    <p begin="00:17:55.25" dur="00:00:10.75">of the last 30 or 40 years and I would mention<br/>a few, I&apos;ll give you just 10 headline ideas</p>
    <p begin="00:18:06.00" dur="00:00:08.77">about what forces or what criteria or conditions<br/>defined most of the Arab world for most</p>
    <p begin="00:18:14.77" dur="00:00:02.72">of the last two or three generations.</p>
    <p begin="00:18:17.49" dur="00:00:03.11">The first is that this is the only chronically</p>
    <p begin="00:18:20.60" dur="00:00:03.03">and collectively non-Democratic<br/>region in the world.</p>
    <p begin="00:18:23.63" dur="00:00:05.01">Nowhere in the Arab world do you have a<br/>credible, serious Democratic process at play</p>
    <p begin="00:18:28.64" dur="00:00:04.64">and while after the end of the Cold War you<br/>had Democratic transformations in many parts</p>
    <p begin="00:18:33.28" dur="00:00:04.32">of the world, we had none in the Arab<br/>world and this is an important factor.</p>
    <p begin="00:18:37.60" dur="00:00:05.61">The second point is that most<br/>of the states in the Arab world</p>
    <p begin="00:18:43.21" dur="00:00:03.49">in one way or another are weak states.</p>
    <p begin="00:18:46.70" dur="00:00:06.55">They&apos;re, they&apos;re strong governments and the<br/>states exist and have been there for a while</p>
    <p begin="00:18:53.25" dur="00:00:04.35">and will hang around for a while but<br/>they are getting weaker in many cases</p>
    <p begin="00:18:57.60" dur="00:00:04.35">because the authority of the central<br/>government no longer dominates all of society</p>
    <p begin="00:19:01.95" dur="00:00:03.35">as it used to 30 and 40 years ago.</p>
    <p begin="00:19:05.30" dur="00:00:03.97">The third point is that the legitimacy<br/>of many of the governing powers</p>
    <p begin="00:19:09.27" dur="00:00:05.73">in the Arab world is being<br/>slowly -- fraying at the edges.</p>
    <p begin="00:19:15.00" dur="00:00:01.20">It&apos;s not disappearing.</p>
    <p begin="00:19:16.20" dur="00:00:04.65">You still have strong, legitimate,<br/>central governments with huge armies,</p>
    <p begin="00:19:20.85" dur="00:00:03.59">multiple security agencies,<br/>tremendous economic power,</p>
    <p begin="00:19:24.44" dur="00:00:03.58">control of media resources<br/>and many other things.</p>
    <p begin="00:19:28.02" dur="00:00:05.14">But the legitimacy of these institutions of<br/>the central power are fraying at the edges</p>
    <p begin="00:19:33.16" dur="00:00:05.40">as many other people emerge in society and play<br/>the role that the government normally plays</p>
    <p begin="00:19:38.56" dur="00:00:04.76">which is to provide people with security,<br/>with representation, with a sense of hope</p>
    <p begin="00:19:43.32" dur="00:00:03.43">for the future, and a range of<br/>basic services whether it&apos;s water,</p>
    <p begin="00:19:46.75" dur="00:00:02.68">education, jobs, or whatever it may be.</p>
    <p begin="00:19:49.43" dur="00:00:08.80">So the legitimacy of many central government<br/>authorities and governments is fraying somewhat.</p>
    <p begin="00:20:01.05" dur="00:00:05.81">The fourth point is that this is a region<br/>under tremendous demographic stress.</p>
    <p begin="00:20:06.86" dur="00:00:03.07">They -- we now have about 350 million Arabs.</p>
    <p begin="00:20:09.93" dur="00:00:04.20">In 1930 there was around 60<br/>million, a massive growth,</p>
    <p begin="00:20:14.13" dur="00:00:03.00">highest population growth rate in the world.</p>
    <p begin="00:20:17.13" dur="00:00:06.89">30, 40 years ago, the Arab world was mostly<br/>old people, middle age or old people,</p>
    <p begin="00:20:24.02" dur="00:00:08.65">living in rural areas, poorly<br/>served in basic services.</p>
    <p begin="00:20:32.67" dur="00:00:05.34">Today the Arab world is 65%<br/>urban, it&apos;s mostly urban.</p>
    <p begin="00:20:38.01" dur="00:00:06.01">It&apos;s mostly young people about 65% to 68% of<br/>the Arab population is under the age of 30.</p>
    <p begin="00:20:44.02" dur="00:00:03.47">And these are people whose basic<br/>needs are pretty well met now.</p>
    <p begin="00:20:47.49" dur="00:00:05.88">The state building from the 1930&apos;s to the 1980&apos;s<br/>provided a very strong infrastructural base</p>
    <p begin="00:20:53.37" dur="00:00:06.19">so most people in the Arab world, especially<br/>in cities and towns can walk to a hospital</p>
    <p begin="00:20:59.56" dur="00:00:02.53">or clinic and walk to their school, can walk</p>
    <p begin="00:21:02.09" dur="00:00:04.41">to a fresh water source, that<br/>basic services are there.</p>
    <p begin="00:21:06.50" dur="00:00:07.74">It&apos;s a young, urban, well-served<br/>population or decently served population</p>
    <p begin="00:21:14.24" dur="00:00:05.79">which is tremendously politically frustrated<br/>because it doesn&apos;t enjoy political rights</p>
    <p begin="00:21:20.03" dur="00:00:03.59">to any significant degree and is<br/>increasingly concerned about environmental</p>
    <p begin="00:21:23.62" dur="00:00:04.43">and economic stress and therefore you<br/>have this tremendous demographic pressure</p>
    <p begin="00:21:28.05" dur="00:00:03.62">from within society which drives<br/>many of the forces that we&apos;re seeing.</p>
    <p begin="00:21:31.67" dur="00:00:02.62">The fifth point is environmental stress.</p>
    <p begin="00:21:34.29" dur="00:00:03.12">This is a region in which<br/>environmental management</p>
    <p begin="00:21:37.41" dur="00:00:06.03">by the governments has been not very good, by<br/>and large, to the point now where we&apos;re starting</p>
    <p begin="00:21:43.44" dur="00:00:04.80">to see in countries like Iraq and Syria<br/>and other places, environmental refugees,</p>
    <p begin="00:21:48.24" dur="00:00:03.30">internally displaced environmental<br/>refugees who are moving simply</p>
    <p begin="00:21:51.54" dur="00:00:02.33">because they can no longer<br/>live in their communities.</p>
    <p begin="00:21:53.87" dur="00:00:04.14">The water has run out, the land is<br/>no good for farming, or other reasons</p>
    <p begin="00:21:58.01" dur="00:00:02.58">and you&apos;re seeing this now in countries.</p>
    <p begin="00:22:00.59" dur="00:00:07.26">And, you, in a recent poll done of young people<br/>by Gallup, it&apos;s about 18% of young people</p>
    <p begin="00:22:07.85" dur="00:00:05.05">between the ages of 15 and 29 said that they<br/>expect to have to move their place of residence</p>
    <p begin="00:22:12.90" dur="00:00:05.02">in the next five years because of environmental<br/>stress, only because of environmental factors,</p>
    <p begin="00:22:17.92" dur="00:00:02.92">so environmental conditions are a big problem.</p>
    <p begin="00:22:20.84" dur="00:00:04.92">Widening disparities is a problem that<br/>we are seeing all over the region,</p>
    <p begin="00:22:25.76" dur="00:00:04.79">particularly in economic terms with small<br/>groups of very wealthy, well-serviced people</p>
    <p begin="00:22:30.55" dur="00:00:04.43">and growing, growing numbers of<br/>people who are more, more poor.</p>
    <p begin="00:22:34.98" dur="00:00:05.72">The seventh main thing we can see in the<br/>region is a tradition of foreign armies</p>
    <p begin="00:22:40.70" dur="00:00:02.54">that keep coming into the region.</p>
    <p begin="00:22:43.24" dur="00:00:05.10">The foreign armies, since the<br/>days of Napoleon, will rationalize</p>
    <p begin="00:22:48.34" dur="00:00:02.65">and justify why they come into our region.</p>
    <p begin="00:22:50.99" dur="00:00:01.74">The reality is from the receiving end</p>
    <p begin="00:22:52.73" dur="00:00:02.68">in the Arab world most people<br/>are fed up with foreign armies.</p>
    <p begin="00:22:55.41" dur="00:00:03.40">They don&apos;t think they should<br/>be coming at us regularly</p>
    <p begin="00:22:58.81" dur="00:00:04.06">and they don&apos;t think they make things<br/>better but they make things worse.</p>
    <p begin="00:23:02.87" dur="00:00:03.38">The eighth point is the unresolved<br/>Arab-Israeli conflict</p>
    <p begin="00:23:06.25" dur="00:00:03.53">which remains I believe the<br/>most important destabilizing</p>
    <p begin="00:23:09.78" dur="00:00:02.81">and radicalizing force in the region.</p>
    <p begin="00:23:12.59" dur="00:00:06.47">The Palestinian exile now is five or six years<br/>longer than the ancient Jewish Babylonian exile</p>
    <p begin="00:23:19.06" dur="00:00:04.24">and the Palestinians in exile are<br/>now acting like the Babylonian exiles</p>
    <p begin="00:23:23.30" dur="00:00:05.84">which is recreating the consciousness of<br/>a nation in exile and therefore a nation</p>
    <p begin="00:23:29.14" dur="00:00:03.79">that will find its way back home<br/>and restore its national rights.</p>
    <p begin="00:23:32.93" dur="00:00:05.35">The mentality of exile of the Palestinians<br/>into the third generation now in Palestine</p>
    <p begin="00:23:38.28" dur="00:00:08.47">as in Babylon has created a psychological and a<br/>political condition which is redrawing the map</p>
    <p begin="00:23:46.75" dur="00:00:05.19">of the Arab-Israeli conflict and you see in the<br/>behavior of groups like Hezbollah and Hamas,</p>
    <p begin="00:23:51.94" dur="00:00:07.31">just two signs of a different attitude<br/>towards war or peace with Israel.</p>
    <p begin="00:23:59.25" dur="00:00:05.39">So the Arab-Israeli conflict is a huge<br/>factor and the more it remains unresolved,</p>
    <p begin="00:24:04.64" dur="00:00:03.26">the more problematic the region is.</p>
    <p begin="00:24:07.90" dur="00:00:05.33">The ninth point I would say is<br/>a growing sense of injustice</p>
    <p begin="00:24:13.23" dur="00:00:03.43">and double standards felt by<br/>many people in the region.</p>
    <p begin="00:24:16.66" dur="00:00:03.21">And the injustices and double<br/>standards that more and more people</p>
    <p begin="00:24:19.87" dur="00:00:06.75">in our region feel are anchored both in<br/>local exercise of power, how Arab governments</p>
    <p begin="00:24:26.62" dur="00:00:04.40">and governments in the region are<br/>treating their own people in an unfair,</p>
    <p begin="00:24:31.02" dur="00:00:04.49">inequitable, and sometimes brutal way.</p>
    <p begin="00:24:35.51" dur="00:00:04.69">And also at injustices that we feel are<br/>coming from abroad, the double standards</p>
    <p begin="00:24:40.20" dur="00:00:05.40">in the application of U.N. resolutions, access<br/>to nuclear technology for peaceful purposes,</p>
    <p begin="00:24:45.60" dur="00:00:03.48">and the use of force for political change.</p>
    <p begin="00:24:49.08" dur="00:00:05.41">Many complaints are made in our region routinely<br/>about the West but also about the Arabs</p>
    <p begin="00:24:54.49" dur="00:00:03.88">and the Israelis, so this<br/>is a very common complaint.</p>
    <p begin="00:24:58.37" dur="00:00:05.95">And number 10 point, I believe that is an<br/>important indicator of how we got here is</p>
    <p begin="00:25:04.32" dur="00:00:02.41">that the rule of law, the<br/>application of the rule</p>
    <p begin="00:25:06.73" dur="00:00:02.14">of law has been very erratic<br/>throughout the Arab world.</p>
    <p begin="00:25:08.87" dur="00:00:06.29">There is rule of law but it&apos;s applied<br/>in an erratic and inconsistent way</p>
    <p begin="00:25:15.16" dur="00:00:06.70">and has created a greater sense of<br/>indignity among ordinary Arabs who feel</p>
    <p begin="00:25:21.86" dur="00:00:04.27">that what their governments are<br/>doing or what the power structures</p>
    <p begin="00:25:26.13" dur="00:00:02.95">in the societies are doing<br/>is not fair to everybody.</p>
    <p begin="00:25:29.08" dur="00:00:06.87">That most people don&apos;t have a fair chance<br/>to really advance in life and benefit</p>
    <p begin="00:25:35.95" dur="00:00:05.21">from their education and their hard work,<br/>that the, the, the situation is skewed</p>
    <p begin="00:25:41.16" dur="00:00:03.98">to help the small group of people<br/>who hold power while the majority</p>
    <p begin="00:25:45.14" dur="00:00:02.35">of other people are disadvantaged.</p>
    <p begin="00:25:47.49" dur="00:00:03.33">And this erratic application of the rule of law</p>
    <p begin="00:25:50.82" dur="00:00:06.47">and equitable power distribution is a major<br/>point that has driven protest movements</p>
    <p begin="00:25:57.29" dur="00:00:07.54">and activism around the Arab world, particularly<br/>Islamist movements who have become very strong</p>
    <p begin="00:26:04.83" dur="00:00:06.18">and are critical of their own governments as<br/>they are critical of Israel and Western powers.</p>
    <p begin="00:26:11.01" dur="00:00:03.82">But the main driving force of<br/>most of the Islamist movements</p>
    <p begin="00:26:14.83" dur="00:00:08.53">in the modern period has been domestic<br/>imbalances, social inequity, abuse of power,</p>
    <p begin="00:26:23.36" dur="00:00:06.40">corruption, unfair application of<br/>state assets, etcetera, etcetera.</p>
    <p begin="00:26:29.76" dur="00:00:03.95">So those 10 points I think are<br/>the main ones as many, many others</p>
    <p begin="00:26:33.71" dur="00:00:05.94">but I think they help explain why is<br/>it that this region is so turbulent</p>
    <p begin="00:26:39.65" dur="00:00:03.63">and is so violent in many situations.</p>
    <p begin="00:26:43.28" dur="00:00:07.07">And why is it in many cases why the<br/>governments and the power structures in many</p>
    <p begin="00:26:50.35" dur="00:00:06.90">of our countries have responded to these<br/>stresses by becoming more autocratic and, and,</p>
    <p begin="00:26:57.25" dur="00:00:06.55">and dominating society to a greater<br/>degree and not opening up and liberalizing</p>
    <p begin="00:27:03.80" dur="00:00:03.12">as many other countries that are in<br/>the world after the end of the Cold War</p>
    <p begin="00:27:06.92" dur="00:00:02.13">but rather tightening their controls.</p>
    <p begin="00:27:09.05" dur="00:00:04.28">The consequences of these trends and<br/>other ones are pretty clear to see.</p>
    <p begin="00:27:13.33" dur="00:00:04.53">There&apos;s a widespread fear and<br/>vulnerability among, a sense of fear</p>
    <p begin="00:27:17.86" dur="00:00:03.77">and vulnerability among many people in the area.</p>
    <p begin="00:27:21.63" dur="00:00:02.90">They feel that they&apos;re increasingly vulnerable.</p>
    <p begin="00:27:24.53" dur="00:00:06.17">The economic stress, foreign armies, their<br/>own systems, their own security systems,</p>
    <p begin="00:27:30.70" dur="00:00:07.90">criminal activity, environmental pressures,<br/>all kinds of reasons why people should be more</p>
    <p begin="00:27:38.60" dur="00:00:04.50">and more concerned, particularly young<br/>people worried about getting a job</p>
    <p begin="00:27:43.10" dur="00:00:03.23">and having an opportunity to live a decent life.</p>
    <p begin="00:27:46.33" dur="00:00:05.48">And second consequence is that this is<br/>a region widely riddled with violence</p>
    <p begin="00:27:51.81" dur="00:00:02.82">as a normal means of political expression.</p>
    <p begin="00:27:54.63" dur="00:00:05.93">And the violence is practiced by three main<br/>groups; the governments and political structures</p>
    <p begin="00:28:00.56" dur="00:00:05.18">of these region use violence against their own<br/>people or against neighbors, opposition groups</p>
    <p begin="00:28:05.74" dur="00:00:05.92">and terror groups use violence, and foreign<br/>armies and invading forces use violence.</p>
    <p begin="00:28:11.66" dur="00:00:04.89">And these three main groups have<br/>now created this cycle of violence</p>
    <p begin="00:28:16.55" dur="00:00:05.43">which is a common vocabulary of political<br/>conduct throughout the Middle East.</p>
    <p begin="00:28:21.98" dur="00:00:07.12">Third consequence is the fragmentation of<br/>the central power and authority that used</p>
    <p begin="00:28:29.10" dur="00:00:02.87">to define the, most of the<br/>countries in this region.</p>
    <p begin="00:28:31.97" dur="00:00:04.54">If you had come to the Middle East -- and this<br/>applies to Turkey, Iran, the Arab countries --</p>
    <p begin="00:28:36.51" dur="00:00:03.97">if you have come there in 1950 or<br/>1960 you essentially had to deal</p>
    <p begin="00:28:40.48" dur="00:00:05.12">with one central government which controlled<br/>everything, the military, the police,</p>
    <p begin="00:28:45.60" dur="00:00:02.84">the economy, the media, the schools.</p>
    <p begin="00:28:48.44" dur="00:00:01.54">They controlled everything.</p>
    <p begin="00:28:49.98" dur="00:00:04.92">If you go to most Arab countries today, you<br/>have to, there is no one central authority</p>
    <p begin="00:28:54.90" dur="00:00:01.97">that controls everything, even in government,</p>
    <p begin="00:28:56.87" dur="00:00:06.34">even in countries where the government is very<br/>strong, like Jordan, like Turkey, like Morocco,</p>
    <p begin="00:29:03.21" dur="00:00:05.10">where you have a strong, tough,<br/>credible, legitimate central government.</p>
    <p begin="00:29:08.31" dur="00:00:03.79">But even there they don&apos;t have<br/>the control that they used to.</p>
    <p begin="00:29:12.10" dur="00:00:04.54">People get their media information<br/>from other sources than the government.</p>
    <p begin="00:29:16.64" dur="00:00:03.55">They get a lot of their services<br/>from the private sector and NGOs.</p>
    <p begin="00:29:20.19" dur="00:00:04.79">A lot of people turn to non-government<br/>forces for even the representation</p>
    <p begin="00:29:24.98" dur="00:00:04.27">of their very identity, whether they turn<br/>to Islamist groups or to tribal groups</p>
    <p begin="00:29:29.25" dur="00:00:05.30">or to ethnic leaderships or private corporate<br/>groups, they, they don&apos;t necessarily turn</p>
    <p begin="00:29:34.55" dur="00:00:05.22">to the government as the main group that<br/>represents them but there&apos;s other groups</p>
    <p begin="00:29:39.77" dur="00:00:04.22">that compete for, for this kind of authority.</p>
    <p begin="00:29:43.99" dur="00:00:06.41">You have therefore many new<br/>actors emerging in society,</p>
    <p begin="00:29:50.40" dur="00:00:03.75">non-state actors is how they<br/>were traditionally called.</p>
    <p begin="00:29:54.15" dur="00:00:02.71">But I would say that they were<br/>actually parallel-state actors.</p>
    <p begin="00:29:56.86" dur="00:00:05.23">You have now groups like the Muslim brothers,<br/>like Hezbollah, like Hamas in Palestine,</p>
    <p begin="00:30:02.09" dur="00:00:04.31">some of the big tribal federations<br/>and tribal organizations,</p>
    <p begin="00:30:06.40" dur="00:00:05.64">some of the private sector corporations,<br/>even some big NGOs in some countries.</p>
    <p begin="00:30:12.04" dur="00:00:06.36">You have a whole range of groups that now are<br/>active in society openly, publicly, legally.</p>
    <p begin="00:30:18.40" dur="00:00:05.04">And they operate at a level in which they do<br/>similar services to what the governments used</p>
    <p begin="00:30:23.44" dur="00:00:04.74">to do, including providing security,<br/>providing political representation,</p>
    <p begin="00:30:28.18" dur="00:00:06.37">negotiating with foreign powers, and<br/>therefore you have a whole bunch of new actors</p>
    <p begin="00:30:34.55" dur="00:00:02.85">who are not just non-state actors,<br/>they&apos;re parallel-state actors.</p>
    <p begin="00:30:37.40" dur="00:00:02.85">We have a very strange phenomenon<br/>in the Arab world</p>
    <p begin="00:30:40.25" dur="00:00:03.25">where we have multiple authorities<br/>and single sovereignties.</p>
    <p begin="00:30:43.50" dur="00:00:03.09">So in Lebanon for instance you have<br/>Hezbollah and you have the government.</p>
    <p begin="00:30:46.59" dur="00:00:02.76">In Palestine you have Hamas, you have Fatah.</p>
    <p begin="00:30:49.35" dur="00:00:04.15">In Somalia, you have a whole<br/>range of different people.</p>
    <p begin="00:30:53.50" dur="00:00:02.83">In Iraq, you have got all<br/>kinds of groups now emerging.</p>
    <p begin="00:30:56.33" dur="00:00:05.11">So you have these multiple centers<br/>of power and authority and legitimacy</p>
    <p begin="00:31:01.44" dur="00:00:02.71">and service delivery who coexist very easily.</p>
    <p begin="00:31:04.15" dur="00:00:02.50">They&apos;re not fighting each other to take over.</p>
    <p begin="00:31:06.65" dur="00:00:04.60">They&apos;re not necessarily -- it&apos;s not a zero sum<br/>game where only one group is going to emerge.</p>
    <p begin="00:31:11.25" dur="00:00:05.50">That&apos;s how it used to be back in the 50&apos;s<br/>and 60&apos;s but now there&apos;s more sophistication,</p>
    <p begin="00:31:16.75" dur="00:00:01.69">maybe just more weariness, whatever.</p>
    <p begin="00:31:18.44" dur="00:00:05.45">But people now are much more nuanced about<br/>coexisting with different power structures</p>
    <p begin="00:31:23.89" dur="00:00:03.53">and power authorities working<br/>alongside each other.</p>
    <p begin="00:31:27.42" dur="00:00:03.71">And they sometimes share power<br/>as in the government in Lebanon.</p>
    <p begin="00:31:31.13" dur="00:00:03.93">You have Hezbollah, you have<br/>the Hariri led March 14 groups,</p>
    <p begin="00:31:35.06" dur="00:00:04.35">and they&apos;re part of the same government,<br/>half of which is aligned with Iran,</p>
    <p begin="00:31:39.41" dur="00:00:01.81">half of which is aligned with the United States.</p>
    <p begin="00:31:41.22" dur="00:00:03.84">So the Lebanese government is the<br/>first Iranian-American joint venture</p>
    <p begin="00:31:45.06" dur="00:00:02.04">and political governance in the Arab world.</p>
    <p begin="00:31:47.10" dur="00:00:04.46">But it exists and it works and<br/>people find it very natural.</p>
    <p begin="00:31:51.56" dur="00:00:03.48">Similarly, in Palestine at one<br/>point, Hamas and Fatah were</p>
    <p begin="00:31:55.04" dur="00:00:01.83">in a unity government and they split up.</p>
    <p begin="00:31:56.87" dur="00:00:05.11">They&apos;ll come back at some point one day and<br/>you find this going on in Yemen and Somalia,</p>
    <p begin="00:32:01.98" dur="00:00:02.01">in Egypt and every, all over the place.</p>
    <p begin="00:32:03.99" dur="00:00:05.70">You find this process of different<br/>legitimate groups competing with each other</p>
    <p begin="00:32:09.69" dur="00:00:05.32">but then coming together when<br/>they, when they, when they need to.</p>
    <p begin="00:32:15.01" dur="00:00:04.91">Another trend or consequence of this is that you<br/>have now many different conflicts in the region,</p>
    <p begin="00:32:19.92" dur="00:00:03.68">a region that used to be dominated and<br/>defined by the Arab-Israeli conflict</p>
    <p begin="00:32:23.60" dur="00:00:02.34">and the Cold War and that was about it.</p>
    <p begin="00:32:25.94" dur="00:00:02.57">Those were the two major conflicts.</p>
    <p begin="00:32:30.51" dur="00:00:07.25">The Middle East now is defined by a wide<br/>range of conflicts internally within countries</p>
    <p begin="00:32:37.76" dur="00:00:03.89">like Yemen, like Somalia,<br/>like Lebanon, like Palestine.</p>
    <p begin="00:32:41.65" dur="00:00:03.44">Then you have problems in Iraq, obviously.</p>
    <p begin="00:32:45.09" dur="00:00:05.37">Then you have conflicts between countries -- the<br/>Arab-Israeli conflict, tensions between Syria</p>
    <p begin="00:32:50.46" dur="00:00:05.58">and Lebanon which now have eased but they<br/>come and go, tensions between Arab countries</p>
    <p begin="00:32:56.04" dur="00:00:07.06">and Iran, and many of these internal<br/>conflicts as in Lebanon and Yemen and Palestine</p>
    <p begin="00:33:03.10" dur="00:00:03.89">and Iraq are proxy battles for<br/>bigger conflicts between Iran</p>
    <p begin="00:33:06.99" dur="00:00:01.59">and the United States and other groups.</p>
    <p begin="00:33:08.58" dur="00:00:04.49">So you have a whole range of conflicts<br/>now that, that take place in the region</p>
    <p begin="00:33:13.07" dur="00:00:03.29">and they&apos;ve all come together<br/>in a kind of regional Cold War.</p>
    <p begin="00:33:16.36" dur="00:00:05.39">So it&apos;s impossible now for somebody to go in<br/>as they used to try to do before to say, &quot;Okay,</p>
    <p begin="00:33:21.75" dur="00:00:02.65">we&apos;re going to try to solve<br/>the Arab-Israeli conflict.&quot;</p>
    <p begin="00:33:24.40" dur="00:00:04.71">You can&apos;t solve the Arab-Israeli conflict<br/>unless you address Syria, Lebanon,</p>
    <p begin="00:33:29.11" dur="00:00:04.27">Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Syria.</p>
    <p begin="00:33:33.38" dur="00:00:05.04">There&apos;s many different tensions and conflicts<br/>that have to be addressed now collectively</p>
    <p begin="00:33:38.42" dur="00:00:03.89">and this is part of the complexity<br/>of this region which comes</p>
    <p begin="00:33:42.31" dur="00:00:04.94">about because we&apos;ve had this process going<br/>on for decades and decades and decades.</p>
    <p begin="00:33:47.25" dur="00:00:06.72">And again the Arab-Israeli conflict is the<br/>single most destabilizing and problematic reason</p>
    <p begin="00:33:53.97" dur="00:00:04.76">for the degradation of the<br/>stability and security of the area.</p>
    <p begin="00:33:58.73" dur="00:00:02.69">There&apos;s other reasons, it&apos;s not<br/>the only one, but it&apos;s the oldest</p>
    <p begin="00:34:01.42" dur="00:00:03.37">and the most serious reason why<br/>you have all of these problems.</p>
    <p begin="00:34:04.79" dur="00:00:04.56">Imagine if the Arab-Israeli<br/>conflict had been solved in 1975.</p>
    <p begin="00:34:09.35" dur="00:00:02.56">Hamas and Hezbollah probably wouldn&apos;t exist.</p>
    <p begin="00:34:11.91" dur="00:00:04.82">They came into existence in the early 80&apos;s,<br/>mainly as a response to Israeli occupation.</p>
    <p begin="00:34:16.73" dur="00:00:04.18">The Iranian-Israeli tension<br/>probably wouldn&apos;t be there.</p>
    <p begin="00:34:20.91" dur="00:00:07.63">So there&apos;s many reasons why you have<br/>a clear link between the continuation</p>
    <p begin="00:34:28.54" dur="00:00:05.19">of the Arab-Israeli conflict and the security<br/>problems and pressures that you can see</p>
    <p begin="00:34:33.73" dur="00:00:03.15">in many other parts of the region.</p>
    <p begin="00:34:36.88" dur="00:00:08.18">Another important thing that, trend that<br/>we can see is as a, as a response to many</p>
    <p begin="00:34:45.06" dur="00:00:05.32">of these developments, there is a new sense<br/>of kind of what I could call defiance.</p>
    <p begin="00:34:50.38" dur="00:00:06.79">Some people talk of resistance<br/>but you have hundreds of millions</p>
    <p begin="00:34:57.17" dur="00:00:03.18">of people in the Arab world and Iran.</p>
    <p begin="00:35:00.35" dur="00:00:03.29">You have something like 500 million people.</p>
    <p begin="00:35:03.64" dur="00:00:04.80">Out of those 500 million people,<br/>the vast majority in the last 25</p>
    <p begin="00:35:08.44" dur="00:00:07.47">or 30 years have asserted in public their<br/>political and personal views and worked actively</p>
    <p begin="00:35:15.91" dur="00:00:03.45">to try to change conditions<br/>that they complain about.</p>
    <p begin="00:35:19.36" dur="00:00:03.88">Whether it&apos;s their own domestic<br/>political hypocrisy, foreign intervention,</p>
    <p begin="00:35:23.24" dur="00:00:05.88">Arab-Israeli wars, occupations, economic<br/>disparities, whatever is the reason</p>
    <p begin="00:35:29.12" dur="00:00:05.91">of their complaint, what you have and I would<br/>say this is the single most important political</p>
    <p begin="00:35:35.03" dur="00:00:04.84">development in our region in the last<br/>two generations is the end of docility.</p>
    <p begin="00:35:39.87" dur="00:00:05.56">That huge numbers of people and I would say<br/>we&apos;re talking here of 2 to 400 million people,</p>
    <p begin="00:35:45.43" dur="00:00:06.60">are no longer willing to acquiesce in<br/>the conditions that they have inherited</p>
    <p begin="00:35:52.03" dur="00:00:07.03">of occupation, of foreign subjugation, of<br/>domestic inequity, political abuse, corruption,</p>
    <p begin="00:35:59.06" dur="00:00:04.55">lack of democracy, fixed<br/>elections, the kinds of things</p>
    <p begin="00:36:03.61" dur="00:00:03.39">that they&apos;ve suffered internally<br/>and regionally and globally.</p>
    <p begin="00:36:07.00" dur="00:00:02.93">And they&apos;re trying to do<br/>something about it and they --</p>
    <p begin="00:36:09.93" dur="00:00:02.81">and this is why you have all of these actors.</p>
    <p begin="00:36:12.74" dur="00:00:05.05">Islamist movements, democracy movements,<br/>human rights movements, civil society groups,</p>
    <p begin="00:36:17.79" dur="00:00:04.23">student groups, women&apos;s groups,<br/>professionals, lawyer&apos;s associations,</p>
    <p begin="00:36:22.02" dur="00:00:05.24">there&apos;s all kinds of mechanisms that<br/>people have used including violent actions</p>
    <p begin="00:36:27.26" dur="00:00:04.16">by small militants and terrorist<br/>groups, militia groups.</p>
    <p begin="00:36:31.42" dur="00:00:03.73">There&apos;s all kinds of different<br/>groups during different things</p>
    <p begin="00:36:35.15" dur="00:00:03.70">but the single common denominator I<br/>believe that&apos;s important for us is</p>
    <p begin="00:36:38.85" dur="00:00:07.55">that there is no longer a docile, acquiescent<br/>population in the Arab-Islamic region</p>
    <p begin="00:36:46.40" dur="00:00:08.29">of the Middle East that is willing to, to<br/>be docile in the face of its own subjugation</p>
    <p begin="00:36:54.69" dur="00:00:03.53">or occupation or marginalization<br/>or pauperization.</p>
    <p begin="00:36:58.22" dur="00:00:06.28">And this is what we&apos;re seeing I think in all<br/>of these groups that are much more active</p>
    <p begin="00:37:04.50" dur="00:00:03.50">and much more dynamic in society.</p>
    <p begin="00:37:08.00" dur="00:00:06.25">Another impact of all of<br/>these things has been the role</p>
    <p begin="00:37:14.25" dur="00:00:03.18">of the United States is particularly<br/>important I think.</p>
    <p begin="00:37:17.43" dur="00:00:04.94">The United States is the biggest<br/>international power and it is actively involved</p>
    <p begin="00:37:22.37" dur="00:00:02.17">in the Middle East with its<br/>army, with its diplomacy,</p>
    <p begin="00:37:24.54" dur="00:00:03.08">with its economic aid in many different ways.</p>
    <p begin="00:37:27.62" dur="00:00:07.22">But the striking thing about the U.S.<br/>in the Middle East I believe is the fact</p>
    <p begin="00:37:34.84" dur="00:00:06.99">that the vast majority of people in that region<br/>and I&apos;m talking here of Arabs, Israelis, Turks,</p>
    <p begin="00:37:41.83" dur="00:00:05.63">and Iranians, the vast majority neither<br/>respect nor fear the United States anymore.</p>
    <p begin="00:37:47.46" dur="00:00:06.97">This is a strong statement, I know,<br/>but I think it is probably correct.</p>
    <p begin="00:37:54.43" dur="00:00:05.03">And if you look at how the United<br/>States has behaved in the last, say,</p>
    <p begin="00:37:59.46" dur="00:00:02.08">15 years, this is a recent phenomenon.</p>
    <p begin="00:38:01.54" dur="00:00:03.35">If you look at how the United States has<br/>behaved with the Arabs, with the Israelis,</p>
    <p begin="00:38:04.89" dur="00:00:05.00">with the Turks, with the Iranians, threatening<br/>them, cajoling them, trying to buy them off.</p>
    <p begin="00:38:09.89" dur="00:00:05.02">I know the recent, the most recent, yesterday<br/>the U.S. said its given up its attempt</p>
    <p begin="00:38:14.91" dur="00:00:04.79">to get the Israelis to free settlements which<br/>they tried to do by pressure and they tried</p>
    <p begin="00:38:19.70" dur="00:00:02.65">to do by buying them off and<br/>in neither case were they able</p>
    <p begin="00:38:22.35" dur="00:00:02.11">to do it and the U.S. just backed away.</p>
    <p begin="00:38:24.46" dur="00:00:03.76">They tried to pressure the Turks in different<br/>things but the Turks stood up to them,</p>
    <p begin="00:38:28.22" dur="00:00:02.58">wouldn&apos;t let the Americans<br/>go into Iraq through Turkey.</p>
    <p begin="00:38:30.80" dur="00:00:03.78">They&apos;ve had sanctions and all kinds<br/>of threats against Iran and Syria</p>
    <p begin="00:38:34.58" dur="00:00:06.35">which has just emboldened Iran and Syria<br/>and they&apos;ve used all kinds of pressures and,</p>
    <p begin="00:38:40.93" dur="00:00:03.52">and policies to get the Arabs to be compliant.</p>
    <p begin="00:38:44.45" dur="00:00:02.90">And while many Arab governments<br/>have been compliant with the U.S.,</p>
    <p begin="00:38:47.35" dur="00:00:02.94">a lot of people in the Arab world<br/>have become much more defiant.</p>
    <p begin="00:38:50.29" dur="00:00:03.75">And this is a very, very significant<br/>situation which I think needs</p>
    <p begin="00:38:54.04" dur="00:00:01.48">to be studied much more carefully.</p>
    <p begin="00:38:55.52" dur="00:00:03.99">I believe it is, it is fair to<br/>say that a majority of people</p>
    <p begin="00:38:59.51" dur="00:00:04.02">in our region neither respect<br/>nor fear the United States.</p>
    <p begin="00:39:03.53" dur="00:00:05.69">And this is a shock I think if you&apos;re an<br/>American citizen or the American government.</p>
    <p begin="00:39:09.22" dur="00:00:04.94">If people neither fear you nor respect<br/>you, then you have virtually no influence</p>
    <p begin="00:39:14.16" dur="00:00:03.67">and I think this is the situation the<br/>United States has found itself in.</p>
    <p begin="00:39:17.83" dur="00:00:04.05">It&apos;s waged two wars and is quickly<br/>trying to get out of both of them.</p>
    <p begin="00:39:21.88" dur="00:00:05.11">It&apos;s trying to use its diplomatic efforts and<br/>in no case has it had any significant success</p>
    <p begin="00:39:26.99" dur="00:00:02.82">with the Israelis, with the<br/>Arabs, with the Iranians.</p>
    <p begin="00:39:29.81" dur="00:00:03.59">It&apos;s a very serious problem for the<br/>United States and I think it is part</p>
    <p begin="00:39:33.40" dur="00:00:05.11">of the bigger picture that I&apos;m trying<br/>to draw which is in the old days,</p>
    <p begin="00:39:38.51" dur="00:00:02.96">when all they had to do was deal<br/>with a bunch of Arab leaders,</p>
    <p begin="00:39:41.47" dur="00:00:02.88">then the Arab countries did<br/>everything you wanted them to do.</p>
    <p begin="00:39:44.35" dur="00:00:05.46">Or a non-democratic Iran or a non-democratic<br/>Turkey, it was very easy for you to just deal</p>
    <p begin="00:39:49.81" dur="00:00:04.35">with these leaders and you, and everything was<br/>hunky dory, especially during the Cold War.</p>
    <p begin="00:39:54.16" dur="00:00:04.34">The situation has changed radically,<br/>that large numbers of people in all</p>
    <p begin="00:39:58.50" dur="00:00:04.09">of these societies including in Israel<br/>which is a very strong American ally,</p>
    <p begin="00:40:02.59" dur="00:00:04.51">the Israelis will not be dictated to by the<br/>United States and they&apos;ll stand up to it</p>
    <p begin="00:40:07.10" dur="00:00:04.23">and we just saw a very good example of it.</p>
    <p begin="00:40:11.33" dur="00:00:05.69">And part of the reason for this I believe, I<br/>mentioned many different factors, environmental,</p>
    <p begin="00:40:17.02" dur="00:00:04.58">political discontent, lack of democracy,<br/>foreign armies, occupations, etcetera,</p>
    <p begin="00:40:21.60" dur="00:00:06.01">but I think that if there&apos;s a single<br/>reason within the region I would say</p>
    <p begin="00:40:27.61" dur="00:00:05.92">that it is the pauperization of the<br/>region and the demographic transition.</p>
    <p begin="00:40:33.53" dur="00:00:06.90">We&apos;re dealing with a region that is<br/>I said about 65% under the age of 30.</p>
    <p begin="00:40:40.43" dur="00:00:07.85">This is a very young region and it&apos;s highly<br/>urbanized and like I said basic needs are met.</p>
    <p begin="00:40:48.28" dur="00:00:02.32">People can walk to school and the health center.</p>
    <p begin="00:40:50.60" dur="00:00:01.43">They&apos;re not starving.</p>
    <p begin="00:40:52.03" dur="00:00:03.99">Nobody is dying of lack of vaccination.</p>
    <p begin="00:40:56.02" dur="00:00:09.71">But they feel that their, their biological<br/>survival is not matched by a response</p>
    <p begin="00:41:05.73" dur="00:00:04.75">to their basic need for human dignity and<br/>more importantly their sense of citizenship.</p>
    <p begin="00:41:10.48" dur="00:00:02.34">What does it mean to be a citizen of a country?</p>
    <p begin="00:41:12.82" dur="00:00:04.17">That you can vote in a non-rigged election,<br/>that you can make your voice heard,</p>
    <p begin="00:41:16.99" dur="00:00:02.47">that you can hold your government accountable,</p>
    <p begin="00:41:19.46" dur="00:00:03.19">that there can be a normal process<br/>of give and take in society.</p>
    <p begin="00:41:22.65" dur="00:00:05.25">People have not felt that their<br/>citizenship rights have been exercised</p>
    <p begin="00:41:27.90" dur="00:00:02.09">and they&apos;re responding to that but most</p>
    <p begin="00:41:29.99" dur="00:00:03.88">of all I believe the single most<br/>important factor is the economic stress.</p>
    <p begin="00:41:33.87" dur="00:00:05.86">And in the last 25, 30 years this<br/>has been one of the most important</p>
    <p begin="00:41:39.73" dur="00:00:06.97">but understudied factors I believe in<br/>the entire transformation of this region.</p>
    <p begin="00:41:46.70" dur="00:00:03.58">And I want to give you just two statistics.</p>
    <p begin="00:41:50.28" dur="00:00:10.61">One is for the entire, for the entire Arab world<br/>-- this is World Bank data from last year --</p>
    <p begin="00:42:00.89" dur="00:00:04.44">if you take the 22 Arab countries and<br/>you look at the gross domestic product</p>
    <p begin="00:42:05.33" dur="00:00:04.50">and constant prices, and constant<br/>prices, not those adjusted for inflation.</p>
    <p begin="00:42:09.83" dur="00:00:10.98">In the decade of the 1980&apos;s, the per capita<br/>GDP which is a rough measure of average wealth,</p>
    <p begin="00:42:20.81" dur="00:00:07.73">the per capita GDP in the 1980&apos;s<br/>averaged over that decade was $2671.</p>
    <p begin="00:42:28.54" dur="00:00:10.89">In this decade from 2000 to 2009, that figure<br/>of $2671 after 20 years has dropped to $2557.</p>
    <p begin="00:42:39.43" dur="00:00:04.60">This is adjusted per capita real<br/>income, real GDP per capita.</p>
    <p begin="00:42:44.03" dur="00:00:05.96">And this is a shocking situation and<br/>this is for the entire Arab world.</p>
    <p begin="00:42:49.99" dur="00:00:02.81">If you take away the oil states,<br/>the wealthy, and you take away--</p>
    <p begin="00:42:52.80" dur="00:00:06.11">and you leave just the poorer countries --<br/>Egypt, Morocco, Sudan, etcetera, Yemen --</p>
    <p begin="00:42:58.91" dur="00:00:07.39">you are dealing with a region that has been poor<br/>for ma- a long time and continues to get poorer</p>
    <p begin="00:43:06.30" dur="00:00:02.28">and this is one of the greatest problems.</p>
    <p begin="00:43:08.58" dur="00:00:02.27">Let me give you one more, more dramatic example.</p>
    <p begin="00:43:10.85" dur="00:00:06.56">If you take the country of Jordan, just one<br/>country, and you take that critical decade</p>
    <p begin="00:43:17.41" dur="00:00:07.00">from the 19 mid-80&apos;s to the mid-90&apos;s which<br/>I believe is the critical decade which co-</p>
    <p begin="00:43:24.41" dur="00:00:04.94">coincides with the economic stress on the Arab<br/>world in the mid-80&apos;s, the end of the Cold War,</p>
    <p begin="00:43:29.35" dur="00:00:02.98">and then the transitional years after that.</p>
    <p begin="00:43:32.33" dur="00:00:05.53">From 1985 to 1995, in one country,<br/>Jordan, which is a pretty normal country,</p>
    <p begin="00:43:37.86" dur="00:00:05.38">it&apos;s not an oil state; it&apos;s not a<br/>completely desolate, poor state.</p>
    <p begin="00:43:43.24" dur="00:00:04.24">It&apos;s a pretty normal place and those of you<br/>who know Jordan know that it&apos;s a nice place</p>
    <p begin="00:43:47.48" dur="00:00:05.07">and it&apos;s pleasant and, and the people<br/>are dynamic and they&apos;re friendly.</p>
    <p begin="00:43:52.55" dur="00:00:07.18">But between 1985 and 1995, if you take the<br/>gross domestic product per capita in Jordan</p>
    <p begin="00:43:59.73" dur="00:00:05.64">and you just take those dinar figures which the<br/>government gives you and then you translate them</p>
    <p begin="00:44:05.37" dur="00:00:05.12">into constant prices in U.S. dollars -- and<br/>the reason you have to do it in U.S. dollars is</p>
    <p begin="00:44:10.49" dur="00:00:04.87">because most of what Jordan consumes,<br/>like most of the Arab world, is imported.</p>
    <p begin="00:44:15.36" dur="00:00:05.39">Airplanes, fuel, furniture, computers,<br/>food, most of it is imported,</p>
    <p begin="00:44:20.75" dur="00:00:05.38">so you have to denominate in dollars<br/>to see what is the actual real income</p>
    <p begin="00:44:26.13" dur="00:00:03.00">or purchasing power of an average citizen.</p>
    <p begin="00:44:29.13" dur="00:00:04.31">In that period between &apos;85 and<br/>&apos;95 in Jordan, the GDP per capita</p>
    <p begin="00:44:33.44" dur="00:00:07.01">in constant U.S. dollars<br/>declined from $2244 to $908.</p>
    <p begin="00:44:40.45" dur="00:00:01.63">It&apos;s an unbelievable drop.</p>
    <p begin="00:44:42.08" dur="00:00:05.70">You don&apos;t hear these figures very much<br/>because people in the Middle East tend not</p>
    <p begin="00:44:47.78" dur="00:00:03.00">to like to talk about this reality.</p>
    <p begin="00:44:50.78" dur="00:00:02.92">But this is the reality that we&apos;re dealing<br/>with, whether it&apos;s at the micro level</p>
    <p begin="00:44:53.70" dur="00:00:04.00">of the entire region or if it -- and if<br/>you take this same exercise and do it</p>
    <p begin="00:44:57.70" dur="00:00:05.59">for any other country in the region you&apos;re<br/>going to get a similar range of views.</p>
    <p begin="00:45:03.29" dur="00:00:07.21">And therefore you have a situation<br/>today where across the region --</p>
    <p begin="00:45:10.50" dur="00:00:02.73">and here I&apos;m talking about<br/>only the Arab world, though,</p>
    <p begin="00:45:13.23" dur="00:00:02.32">leaving out Israel, Iran,<br/>and Turkey for a moment.</p>
    <p begin="00:45:15.55" dur="00:00:06.84">And across the Arab world, you have a huge,<br/>young population that is suffering this kind</p>
    <p begin="00:45:22.39" dur="00:00:05.36">of economic stress with the environmental<br/>stress, with the domestic political constraints,</p>
    <p begin="00:45:27.75" dur="00:00:03.86">with the regional tensions and<br/>frustrations of the Arab-Israeli conflict,</p>
    <p begin="00:45:31.61" dur="00:00:06.07">with the international pressures of foreign<br/>armies and, and the perception that the U.N.</p>
    <p begin="00:45:37.68" dur="00:00:02.96">and the world, the West, are<br/>applying double standards.</p>
    <p begin="00:45:40.64" dur="00:00:07.51">When you put all of these things together,<br/>you end up with a population of mostly young,</p>
    <p begin="00:45:48.15" dur="00:00:03.90">very frustrated and worried people.</p>
    <p begin="00:45:52.05" dur="00:00:04.94">But more than just being frustrated and<br/>worried, we&apos;re dealing with a young population</p>
    <p begin="00:45:56.99" dur="00:00:04.91">that in more and more cases<br/>is gradually detaching itself</p>
    <p begin="00:46:01.90" dur="00:00:02.81">from the anchorage of its own society.</p>
    <p begin="00:46:04.71" dur="00:00:06.64">And I think if you look at the most interesting<br/>data that I think we have today is a poll</p>
    <p begin="00:46:11.35" dur="00:00:02.70">that was just done by the Gallup organization,</p>
    <p begin="00:46:14.05" dur="00:00:04.96">a poll of youth in every single<br/>Arab country, aged 15 to 29.</p>
    <p begin="00:46:19.01" dur="00:00:07.06">And the polling done by Gallup for a<br/>group in Qatar called Silatech which deals</p>
    <p begin="00:46:26.07" dur="00:00:06.29">with transitions of young people from education<br/>to employment, the Arab youth&apos;s polling</p>
    <p begin="00:46:32.36" dur="00:00:04.54">that has been done has given us some<br/>really important indications of the reality</p>
    <p begin="00:46:36.90" dur="00:00:03.07">of young people who are the majority of people.</p>
    <p begin="00:46:39.97" dur="00:00:05.09">But I think the youth&apos;s perceptions reflect<br/>the wider perceptions of all Arab society,</p>
    <p begin="00:46:45.06" dur="00:00:06.70">showing the reality which is that you have<br/>serious pressures, concerns, vulnerabilities,</p>
    <p begin="00:46:51.76" dur="00:00:07.63">fears, worries, serious ones, combined<br/>with powerful forces for self-confidence,</p>
    <p begin="00:46:59.39" dur="00:00:03.25">hope for the future, a sense of security.</p>
    <p begin="00:47:02.64" dur="00:00:05.32">And this is the reality of the Arab<br/>world which is so important to grasp.</p>
    <p begin="00:47:07.96" dur="00:00:08.60">Why at the same time do you have evidence of<br/>violence, extremism, dysfunctional behavior,</p>
    <p begin="00:47:16.56" dur="00:00:06.15">etcetera, etcetera, combined with<br/>this strong sense of stability?</p>
    <p begin="00:47:22.71" dur="00:00:06.17">But let me just give you a few statistics from<br/>-- remember this is talking about young people</p>
    <p begin="00:47:28.88" dur="00:00:08.21">in the entire Arab countries, 22 countries with<br/>nationally representative samples by Gallup.</p>
    <p begin="00:47:37.09" dur="00:00:05.07">90% of young people feel that they<br/>actually are free to express themselves.</p>
    <p begin="00:47:42.16" dur="00:00:01.70">This is really important.</p>
    <p begin="00:47:43.86" dur="00:00:05.15">They feel they have the freedom to speak, partly<br/>because of the new information technology --</p>
    <p begin="00:47:49.01" dur="00:00:01.80">internet, and cell phones and stuff.</p>
    <p begin="00:47:50.81" dur="00:00:06.04">They can express themselves which people in my<br/>generation and before couldn&apos;t do so easily.</p>
    <p begin="00:47:56.85" dur="00:00:07.93">They feel they are -- 65% roughly -- are<br/>satisfied with the freedoms in their life</p>
    <p begin="00:48:04.78" dur="00:00:06.41">to do whatever they want which is quite<br/>significant, about two-thirds of them almost.</p>
    <p begin="00:48:11.19" dur="00:00:09.24">There are positive elements like 86 percent,<br/>the overwhelming majority, feel that if they are</p>
    <p begin="00:48:20.43" dur="00:00:06.13">in a moment of need, that they have people in<br/>their immediate environment, family, friends,</p>
    <p begin="00:48:26.56" dur="00:00:03.89">cousins, neighbors, NGOs,<br/>charitable societies --</p>
    <p begin="00:48:30.45" dur="00:00:02.39">they have people who will help them immediately.</p>
    <p begin="00:48:32.84" dur="00:00:02.89">That they feel, 86% feel that they have somebody</p>
    <p begin="00:48:35.73" dur="00:00:03.60">who can immediately help<br/>them if they need something.</p>
    <p begin="00:48:39.33" dur="00:00:07.29">Along -- then you have something<br/>like 88% to 90% feel that religion</p>
    <p begin="00:48:46.62" dur="00:00:05.82">and family are important forces in their<br/>society or they can rely on those forces.</p>
    <p begin="00:48:52.44" dur="00:00:09.07">So you have some strong indicators of a large<br/>number of young Arabs who are not desperate,</p>
    <p begin="00:49:01.51" dur="00:00:02.63">who feel that they have protection.</p>
    <p begin="00:49:04.14" dur="00:00:04.55">They have anchorage in society<br/>that they can turn to.</p>
    <p begin="00:49:08.69" dur="00:00:02.51">It&apos;s not the government.</p>
    <p begin="00:49:11.20" dur="00:00:05.97">It&apos;s mostly family, friends, religion,<br/>neighbors, etcetera, but though to be fair also</p>
    <p begin="00:49:17.17" dur="00:00:07.11">about 70% or so say that they are content.</p>
    <p begin="00:49:24.28" dur="00:00:03.74">They feel that their environment that<br/>they live in in their town or village</p>
    <p begin="00:49:28.02" dur="00:00:03.64">or city, they&apos;re satisfied with it.</p>
    <p begin="00:49:31.66" dur="00:00:03.76">It&apos;s not, you know, five-star luxury,<br/>but they&apos;re, they&apos;re satisfied.</p>
    <p begin="00:49:35.42" dur="00:00:03.15">They think that their living<br/>in decent conditions.</p>
    <p begin="00:49:38.57" dur="00:00:07.79">Yet, the negative aspects are equally striking.</p>
    <p begin="00:49:46.36" dur="00:00:07.11">30, 30% only feel that they can<br/>find good, affordable housing.</p>
    <p begin="00:49:53.47" dur="00:00:02.81">They are worried about, they don&apos;t have<br/>-- they can&apos;t find affordable housing.</p>
    <p begin="00:49:56.28" dur="00:00:01.55">They can&apos;t get married.</p>
    <p begin="00:49:57.83" dur="00:00:03.83">They&apos;re particularly worried<br/>about housing as an impediment</p>
    <p begin="00:50:01.66" dur="00:00:05.32">to leaving youth, childhood,<br/>and becoming adults.</p>
    <p begin="00:50:06.98" dur="00:00:07.49">30% on average across the region want to<br/>immigrate permanently, to go to another country.</p>
    <p begin="00:50:14.47" dur="00:00:02.60">And this 30% is for the regional average.</p>
    <p begin="00:50:17.07" dur="00:00:04.43">It goes up to 45% in some<br/>cases like Algeria and others.</p>
    <p begin="00:50:21.50" dur="00:00:04.21">It goes up to 45% or more but 30<br/>is the entire regional average.</p>
    <p begin="00:50:25.71" dur="00:00:04.90">If one-third of your young people who are<br/>educated, who are the most productive element</p>
    <p begin="00:50:30.61" dur="00:00:04.04">in your society, one-third of these<br/>people want to leave, that&apos;s a bad sign.</p>
    <p begin="00:50:34.65" dur="00:00:02.59">And they would leave if they<br/>could but most of them can&apos;t.</p>
    <p begin="00:50:37.24" dur="00:00:01.47">Nobody will take them.</p>
    <p begin="00:50:38.71" dur="00:00:02.88">They won&apos;t get -- they can&apos;t get visas.</p>
    <p begin="00:50:41.59" dur="00:00:08.22">You have a problem with confidence in<br/>the integrity of the central government.</p>
    <p begin="00:50:49.81" dur="00:00:07.01">About 50 percent, 51% say that<br/>they have -- well, excuse me --</p>
    <p begin="00:50:56.82" dur="00:00:03.84">51 and 53 because you have<br/>males and females are different.</p>
    <p begin="00:51:00.66" dur="00:00:04.61">But they -- about 51 or 53% feel they<br/>have confidence in the central government.</p>
    <p begin="00:51:05.27" dur="00:00:04.93">In other words, almost half of the young people<br/>have no confidence in their central government.</p>
    <p begin="00:51:10.20" dur="00:00:07.67">Same thing for the judiciary, about 53% have<br/>confidence in the judiciary but 47% don&apos;t.</p>
    <p begin="00:51:17.87" dur="00:00:05.89">Only 45% have confidence in the media.</p>
    <p begin="00:51:23.76" dur="00:00:02.72">The young people have completely<br/>turned away from their mass media.</p>
    <p begin="00:51:26.48" dur="00:00:00.82">They don&apos;t follow it.</p>
    <p begin="00:51:27.30" dur="00:00:02.61">They don&apos;t -- they, they,<br/>they create their own media.</p>
    <p begin="00:51:29.91" dur="00:00:04.88">This is one of the results of the youth<br/>study that we have just completed.</p>
    <p begin="00:51:34.79" dur="00:00:05.62">Only 40% of young people<br/>in the Arab world believe</p>
    <p begin="00:51:40.41" dur="00:00:02.90">that elections held in their country are honest.</p>
    <p begin="00:51:43.31" dur="00:00:04.82">60% feel that elections are a sham.</p>
    <p begin="00:51:48.13" dur="00:00:08.33">These are very strong, clear, accurate,<br/>dispassionate indicators of societies in stress.</p>
    <p begin="00:51:56.46" dur="00:00:06.83">And I&apos;ve mentioned the main reasons that I<br/>think help us to understand how we got here.</p>
    <p begin="00:52:03.29" dur="00:00:08.43">I think -- what, what, what, what we can see<br/>now is that there are many actors in societies,</p>
    <p begin="00:52:11.72" dur="00:00:08.68">in our societies who are behaving in a way<br/>that represents their desire to change things,</p>
    <p begin="00:52:20.40" dur="00:00:02.66">to address some of these problems and pressures.</p>
    <p begin="00:52:23.06" dur="00:00:02.85">And again, there&apos;s a multitude<br/>of different actors.</p>
    <p begin="00:52:25.91" dur="00:00:05.72">Each one is motivated by something else,<br/>religious groups, tribal sector, political,</p>
    <p begin="00:52:31.63" dur="00:00:05.42">militant, and all kinds of groups but the<br/>reality is that they&apos;re all working at once</p>
    <p begin="00:52:37.05" dur="00:00:06.14">and what you have for the first time is a<br/>dynamic situation of change and transformation</p>
    <p begin="00:52:43.19" dur="00:00:03.97">in which these groups as I said<br/>coalesce into three broad categories;</p>
    <p begin="00:52:47.16" dur="00:00:03.12">the monarchy, the mosque, and the market.</p>
    <p begin="00:52:50.28" dur="00:00:05.27">And they give us a bit of a balancing act<br/>now which creates a little bit of stability.</p>
    <p begin="00:52:55.55" dur="00:00:04.57">Now we have a stable system -- it,<br/>it&apos;s a dynamic but stable system</p>
    <p begin="00:53:00.12" dur="00:00:06.52">but this is a transitional moment, this<br/>situation isn&apos;t going to last for a long time.</p>
    <p begin="00:53:06.64" dur="00:00:03.32">And people are talking about<br/>the four R&apos;s that I mentioned.</p>
    <p begin="00:53:09.96" dur="00:00:04.46">People are demanding their<br/>rights, they&apos;re demanding respect,</p>
    <p begin="00:53:14.42" dur="00:00:05.57">and the respect they are demanding is from their<br/>own authorities as well as from foreigners.</p>
    <p begin="00:53:19.99" dur="00:00:05.60">Whether it&apos;s Hamas demanding respect<br/>from Israel or Syria demanding respect</p>
    <p begin="00:53:25.59" dur="00:00:05.57">from the United States or somebody demanding<br/>respect from somebody else, the respect is, the,</p>
    <p begin="00:53:31.16" dur="00:00:08.42">the, the respect is probably the single greatest<br/>common denominator among all of these actors.</p>
    <p begin="00:53:39.58" dur="00:00:07.06">It&apos;s an intangible element of being, of<br/>being treated fairly, being treated decently,</p>
    <p begin="00:53:46.64" dur="00:00:03.74">of being allowed to behave as<br/>a human being and as a citizen.</p>
    <p begin="00:53:50.38" dur="00:00:05.55">Not to be treated like an animal or<br/>a second-class person and this demand</p>
    <p begin="00:53:55.93" dur="00:00:05.47">for respect is oriented to people&apos;s<br/>own governments and societies</p>
    <p begin="00:54:01.40" dur="00:00:01.54">as well as foreign, foreign ones.</p>
    <p begin="00:54:02.94" dur="00:00:03.88">So respect is, is incredibly important.</p>
    <p begin="00:54:06.82" dur="00:00:05.74">Resistance is what many people say they<br/>are doing in the Arab world and Iran.</p>
    <p begin="00:54:12.56" dur="00:00:06.81">Resisting forces that they believe threaten<br/>them whether it&apos;s Israeli forces occupying them</p>
    <p begin="00:54:19.37" dur="00:00:03.29">or Americans or British army<br/>or Arab conservative forces</p>
    <p begin="00:54:22.66" dur="00:00:03.55">or private sector dominating<br/>corporations, whatever.</p>
    <p begin="00:54:26.21" dur="00:00:02.45">They have many accusations against many people.</p>
    <p begin="00:54:28.66" dur="00:00:05.79">But resistance is the term that people use<br/>now and, and, and the Syrians and the Iranians</p>
    <p begin="00:54:34.45" dur="00:00:07.16">and others are grouping themselves with a range<br/>of different organizations in our societies</p>
    <p begin="00:54:41.61" dur="00:00:03.31">and they call themselves the<br/>Resistance and Deterrents Front.</p>
    <p begin="00:54:44.92" dur="00:00:01.87">You, you may think this is crazy.</p>
    <p begin="00:54:46.79" dur="00:00:00.79">You may like it.</p>
    <p begin="00:54:47.58" dur="00:00:00.83">You may not like it.</p>
    <p begin="00:54:48.41" dur="00:00:01.41">I have my own views.</p>
    <p begin="00:54:49.82" dur="00:00:04.91">I&apos;m not saying this is great or bad,<br/>I&apos;m just saying this is how things are</p>
    <p begin="00:54:54.73" dur="00:00:05.89">and this is how they see themselves and<br/>they feel that they&apos;re actually doing well,</p>
    <p begin="00:55:00.62" dur="00:00:06.05">that their points are, they&apos;re making --<br/>scoring points and holding their ground</p>
    <p begin="00:55:06.67" dur="00:00:02.82">and forcing others to deal with them.</p>
    <p begin="00:55:09.49" dur="00:00:05.76">And finally righteousness and righteousness<br/>is something that both the American army,</p>
    <p begin="00:55:15.25" dur="00:00:04.23">the Israeli army, and Arab<br/>resistance forces claim.</p>
    <p begin="00:55:19.48" dur="00:00:06.95">Righteousness is the common language of people<br/>who are active in trying to achieve their rights</p>
    <p begin="00:55:26.43" dur="00:00:04.64">as citizens and claiming divine support.</p>
    <p begin="00:55:31.07" dur="00:00:03.06">It&apos;s interesting that Israelis<br/>and Americans and Arabs and Turks</p>
    <p begin="00:55:34.13" dur="00:00:03.96">and Iranians all speak in the same language.</p>
    <p begin="00:55:38.09" dur="00:00:03.13">So I&apos;ll finish by just saying that when we --</p>
    <p begin="00:55:41.22" dur="00:00:05.82">this is a very quick, superficial<br/>overview trying to give you the complexity</p>
    <p begin="00:55:47.04" dur="00:00:03.44">of these issues but in the final<br/>analysis what are we talking about?</p>
    <p begin="00:55:50.48" dur="00:00:00.95">What are the issues?</p>
    <p begin="00:55:51.43" dur="00:00:00.82">What are the problems?</p>
    <p begin="00:55:52.25" dur="00:00:04.20">What does this tell us about Arab society<br/>and Middle Eastern society as a whole?</p>
    <p begin="00:55:56.45" dur="00:00:04.17">It tells us that there&apos;s a range of<br/>issues that are now being contested.</p>
    <p begin="00:56:00.62" dur="00:00:06.26">That the people of the region have put on<br/>the table, have put on the public agenda,</p>
    <p begin="00:56:06.88" dur="00:00:03.60">and the issues are big sticker items.</p>
    <p begin="00:56:10.48" dur="00:00:02.49">Statehood is a contested issue.</p>
    <p begin="00:56:12.97" dur="00:00:06.26">The states of this region are not stable in many<br/>cases and are changing and people are looking</p>
    <p begin="00:56:19.23" dur="00:00:02.94">at statehood and trying to fix it up.</p>
    <p begin="00:56:22.17" dur="00:00:06.20">Sovereignty is an issue that many<br/>people are contesting, challenging.</p>
    <p begin="00:56:28.37" dur="00:00:03.26">And many people feel that they&apos;re<br/>independent but they&apos;re not sovereign,</p>
    <p begin="00:56:31.63" dur="00:00:02.87">that somebody else really tells them what to do.</p>
    <p begin="00:56:34.50" dur="00:00:04.43">Nationhood is an issue that is up for grabs.</p>
    <p begin="00:56:38.93" dur="00:00:03.72">People talk of the Islamic<br/>nation, of the Arab nation.</p>
    <p begin="00:56:42.65" dur="00:00:01.38">They talk of their own countries.</p>
    <p begin="00:56:44.03" dur="00:00:01.90">They talk of tribal allegiances.</p>
    <p begin="00:56:45.93" dur="00:00:06.07">The idea of belonging to a bigger<br/>nation is very much discussed.</p>
    <p begin="00:56:52.00" dur="00:00:05.82">The exercise of power and the legitimacy of<br/>governance and the two things go together.</p>
    <p begin="00:56:57.82" dur="00:00:06.20">Power and governance and legitimacy<br/>are central themes of what is going on.</p>
    <p begin="00:57:04.02" dur="00:00:07.19">The issue of identity -- people are expressing<br/>their multiple identities; religious, tribal,</p>
    <p begin="00:57:11.21" dur="00:00:03.52">professional, political,<br/>ideological, social, cultural.</p>
    <p begin="00:57:14.73" dur="00:00:04.40">All kinds of identities are<br/>now actively on the table.</p>
    <p begin="00:57:19.13" dur="00:00:04.41">Citizenship rights -- what does it<br/>mean to be a citizen of a country?</p>
    <p begin="00:57:23.54" dur="00:00:04.30">What are the limits to the power of the<br/>government to intervene in your life?</p>
    <p begin="00:57:27.84" dur="00:00:03.31">Human development issues<br/>-- access to basic needs.</p>
    <p begin="00:57:31.15" dur="00:00:04.42">As I said most basic needs are<br/>pro- are reasonably well met</p>
    <p begin="00:57:35.57" dur="00:00:03.69">but now there&apos;s a growing concern<br/>particularly in environmental terms</p>
    <p begin="00:57:39.26" dur="00:00:02.56">and in quality of education and jobs.</p>
    <p begin="00:57:41.82" dur="00:00:04.34">Security and stability are important issues.</p>
    <p begin="00:57:46.16" dur="00:00:03.58">A lot of societies are stable<br/>but they&apos;re not secure.</p>
    <p begin="00:57:49.74" dur="00:00:02.55">There&apos;s bombings, there&apos;s foreign<br/>invasions, there&apos;s occupations,</p>
    <p begin="00:57:52.29" dur="00:00:02.06">there&apos;s criminal activity, there&apos;s terrorism.</p>
    <p begin="00:57:54.35" dur="00:00:02.47">There are all kinds of threats to security.</p>
    <p begin="00:57:56.82" dur="00:00:03.38">And finally, relations with<br/>the rest of the world.</p>
    <p begin="00:58:00.20" dur="00:00:06.88">We don&apos;t really know, we don&apos;t really know if a<br/>majority of Arabs wants to make war with Israel</p>
    <p begin="00:58:07.08" dur="00:00:02.28">or wants to make peace with Israel.</p>
    <p begin="00:58:09.36" dur="00:00:03.18">And we don&apos;t really know if<br/>a majority of Israelis wants</p>
    <p begin="00:58:12.54" dur="00:00:02.42">to make war or peace with the Palestinians.</p>
    <p begin="00:58:14.96" dur="00:00:01.64">We really don&apos;t know that.</p>
    <p begin="00:58:16.60" dur="00:00:03.02">We have certain ideas but these are not clear.</p>
    <p begin="00:58:19.62" dur="00:00:08.09">The relationships of the people of this region<br/>with foreign actors is very much imprecise,</p>
    <p begin="00:58:27.71" dur="00:00:02.59">very vague and needs to be clarified.</p>
    <p begin="00:58:30.30" dur="00:00:02.24">We don&apos;t know if the majority of people</p>
    <p begin="00:58:32.54" dur="00:00:04.91">in the Arab world think the United States is<br/>their friend or they United States is a threat.</p>
    <p begin="00:58:37.45" dur="00:00:06.79">We know that both views are there and we don&apos;t<br/>know really how many Arabs think Iran is right</p>
    <p begin="00:58:44.24" dur="00:00:03.41">in doing what it&apos;s doing and<br/>how many Arabs fear Iran.</p>
    <p begin="00:58:47.65" dur="00:00:01.36">There&apos;s different views.</p>
    <p begin="00:58:49.01" dur="00:00:03.53">And there&apos;s views of governments and there&apos;s<br/>views of ordinary people and there&apos;s views</p>
    <p begin="00:58:52.54" dur="00:00:03.07">of political groups in the<br/>Arab world as a range.</p>
    <p begin="00:58:55.61" dur="00:00:07.82">All of these issues are now issues<br/>that are being publicly discussed.</p>
    <p begin="00:59:03.43" dur="00:00:04.59">We have this very important historic<br/>transition taking place in the Arab world</p>
    <p begin="00:59:08.02" dur="00:00:04.52">which is woefully underreported and not<br/>well understood I think internationally</p>
    <p begin="00:59:12.54" dur="00:00:04.25">because people don&apos;t take the time to look<br/>into our society and to understand, well,</p>
    <p begin="00:59:16.79" dur="00:00:02.60">what&apos;s going on at the community level.</p>
    <p begin="00:59:19.39" dur="00:00:03.20">What&apos;s going on in the minds<br/>and hearts of ordinary people?</p>
    <p begin="00:59:22.59" dur="00:00:01.23">Why are people violent?</p>
    <p begin="00:59:23.82" dur="00:00:01.08">Why are they extremists?</p>
    <p begin="00:59:24.90" dur="00:00:00.98">Why are they emotional?</p>
    <p begin="00:59:25.88" dur="00:00:01.99">Why do they do what they do?</p>
    <p begin="00:59:27.87" dur="00:00:05.95">And I think it&apos;s important for institutions like<br/>yours and ours and academics and journalists</p>
    <p begin="00:59:33.82" dur="00:00:05.56">to make a greater effort to understand<br/>that we have in the Arab world</p>
    <p begin="00:59:39.38" dur="00:00:04.96">and the Middle East a resumption of<br/>history and possibly a birth of politics.</p>
    <p begin="00:59:44.34" dur="00:00:04.93">And this should be a meeting point for<br/>those of us like myself, certainly,</p>
    <p begin="00:59:49.27" dur="00:00:01.99">and I hope many of you who believe</p>
    <p begin="00:59:51.26" dur="00:00:03.26">that there shouldn&apos;t be hostility<br/>between Arabs and Americans.</p>
    <p begin="00:59:54.52" dur="00:00:04.36">That the basic fundamental<br/>values or American society</p>
    <p begin="00:59:58.88" dur="00:00:03.55">and of Arab-Islamic society<br/>are identical values.</p>
    <p begin="01:00:02.43" dur="00:00:06.55">They focus on justice and equality and<br/>consent of the government, a majority of will</p>
    <p begin="01:00:08.98" dur="00:00:02.78">and protecting minority rights, these<br/>sort of themes that are very common</p>
    <p begin="01:00:11.76" dur="00:00:05.59">in the Islamist religious political<br/>discourse in our region and very common</p>
    <p begin="01:00:17.35" dur="00:00:02.20">in the American public discourse.</p>
    <p begin="01:00:19.55" dur="00:00:03.92">So this should be a much greater meeting<br/>ground between people in the Arab world</p>
    <p begin="01:00:23.47" dur="00:00:04.23">and the wider Islamic Middle East and Israel<br/>and the United States and I think we have</p>
    <p begin="01:00:27.70" dur="00:00:03.28">to make an effort to try to achieve that.</p>
    <p begin="01:00:30.98" dur="00:00:01.86">But the first step to doing that is</p>
    <p begin="01:00:32.84" dur="00:00:04.72">to understand more accurately what is<br/>actually happening on the ground and I hope</p>
    <p begin="01:00:37.56" dur="00:00:03.25">that I&apos;ve given you some insights<br/>into some of these issues.</p>
    <p begin="01:00:40.81" dur="00:00:01.70">Thank you very much for being here.</p>
    <p begin="01:00:42.51" dur="00:00:06.48">[ Applause ]</p>
    <p begin="01:00:48.99" dur="00:00:00.56">&gt;&gt; Norman Bishara: Great.</p>
    <p begin="01:00:49.55" dur="00:00:02.54">We have a, we have about 15,<br/>20 minutes for the questions.</p>
    <p begin="01:00:52.09" dur="00:00:10.42">If you are able, please come to the mic to be<br/>recorded onto the [inaudible] Questions, yes.</p>
    <p begin="01:01:02.51" dur="00:00:06.03">[ Silence ]</p>
    <p begin="01:01:08.54" dur="00:00:07.82">&gt;&gt; The picture you give concerning youth is the<br/>volatility, the volatility of the situation...</p>
    <p begin="01:01:16.36" dur="00:00:00.54">&gt;&gt; Rhami Khouri: Hold the mic up, yeah.</p>
    <p begin="01:01:16.90" dur="00:00:06.59">&gt;&gt; Okay. The volatility of the situation is best<br/>expressed in what the statistics you&apos;ve given</p>
    <p begin="01:01:23.49" dur="00:00:07.12">about the youth and it definitely is very much<br/>anchored in the pauperization of the society</p>
    <p begin="01:01:30.61" dur="00:00:02.81">as a whole which the youth particularly.</p>
    <p begin="01:01:33.42" dur="00:00:08.29">This does not fully apply to the Gulf region<br/>where the youth are undergoing also, I mean,</p>
    <p begin="01:01:41.71" dur="00:00:08.52">from material that I work and I know of --<br/>the youth itself is undergoing quite a lot</p>
    <p begin="01:01:50.23" dur="00:00:04.35">of the issue of the need to voice.</p>
    <p begin="01:01:54.58" dur="00:00:00.77">&gt;&gt; Rhami Khouri: Of what?</p>
    <p begin="01:01:55.35" dur="00:00:05.46">&gt;&gt; To voice, to have a say and<br/>this is the beginning of that.</p>
    <p begin="01:02:00.81" dur="00:00:03.68">Do you sense that sort of<br/>differentiation in the Arab world?</p>
    <p begin="01:02:04.49" dur="00:00:05.29">I mean, the Gulf region is not exactly<br/>the same story that you have given</p>
    <p begin="01:02:09.78" dur="00:00:01.94">in the other parts of the Arab world.</p>
    <p begin="01:02:11.72" dur="00:00:00.65">&gt;&gt; Rhami Khouri: That, that&apos;s right.</p>
    <p begin="01:02:12.37" dur="00:00:03.46">And I didn&apos;t have enough time<br/>but the statistics are if you go</p>
    <p begin="01:02:15.83" dur="00:00:02.44">to the Gallup report for Silatech, it&apos;s online.</p>
    <p begin="01:02:18.27" dur="00:00:05.07">It&apos;s very, very important data and<br/>is differentiated into high income,</p>
    <p begin="01:02:23.34" dur="00:00:01.96">middle income, low income countries.</p>
    <p begin="01:02:25.30" dur="00:00:04.90">So for instance the desire to immigrate I<br/>said is 30% across the board on average.</p>
    <p begin="01:02:30.20" dur="00:00:03.96">In the Gulf countries it&apos;s only about<br/>5 or 6% because they&apos;re wealthy,</p>
    <p begin="01:02:34.16" dur="00:00:02.59">they feel that their needs are<br/>met, there&apos;s no need to immigrate.</p>
    <p begin="01:02:36.75" dur="00:00:01.97">They can get jobs automatically.</p>
    <p begin="01:02:38.72" dur="00:00:07.08">And the non-oil countries, the poorer countries,<br/>it&apos;s 40% or higher so the average is 30.</p>
    <p begin="01:02:45.80" dur="00:00:01.91">So there clearly is a differentiation.</p>
    <p begin="01:02:47.71" dur="00:00:02.19">This is not a uniform region.</p>
    <p begin="01:02:49.90" dur="00:00:05.87">There are big difference with -- and the<br/>differences are mainly based on income.</p>
    <p begin="01:02:55.77" dur="00:00:04.65">You fi- you find that gender, there<br/>are some differences based on gender.</p>
    <p begin="01:03:00.42" dur="00:00:03.18">There are some differences based on<br/>geographical location but it&apos;s income</p>
    <p begin="01:03:03.60" dur="00:00:06.64">that is the main defining factor that creates<br/>differences in people&apos;s attitudes or behavior</p>
    <p begin="01:03:10.24" dur="00:00:06.83">and people in the Gulf, you know,<br/>the Gulf region we have to be aware.</p>
    <p begin="01:03:17.07" dur="00:00:01.74">I mean, they&apos;ve only really been developing</p>
    <p begin="01:03:18.81" dur="00:00:03.51">at a serious national level<br/>for probably two generations.</p>
    <p begin="01:03:22.32" dur="00:00:05.43">I mean, it&apos;s only really since the 50&apos;s or<br/>60&apos;s or even some of them even later than that</p>
    <p begin="01:03:27.75" dur="00:00:03.90">with the oil boom that they really<br/>started developing on a national scale.</p>
    <p begin="01:03:31.65" dur="00:00:03.51">Others, the Saudis and Kuwaitis<br/>from the 50&apos;s and --</p>
    <p begin="01:03:35.16" dur="00:00:07.25">but these are young countries and they&apos;ve been<br/>so absorbed in a rapid process of state building</p>
    <p begin="01:03:42.41" dur="00:00:04.62">and in many cases making a lot of money that<br/>they haven&apos;t paid attention to other issues.</p>
    <p begin="01:03:47.03" dur="00:00:04.51">But I think we&apos;re now seeing among<br/>people in the Gulf and other places signs</p>
    <p begin="01:03:51.54" dur="00:00:08.33">of a desire even among wealthy people that they<br/>want to manifest all of their human dimensions.</p>
    <p begin="01:03:59.87" dur="00:00:05.32">To think, to speak, to read different opinions,<br/>to have a view on things, to have a debate,</p>
    <p begin="01:04:05.19" dur="00:00:04.14">to have a discussion -- they shouldn&apos;t<br/>be prevented from doing these things</p>
    <p begin="01:04:09.33" dur="00:00:03.59">so I think we&apos;re seeing signs of<br/>that but it&apos;s strongest in the,</p>
    <p begin="01:04:12.92" dur="00:00:02.36">in the poorer countries, definitely.</p>
    <p begin="01:04:16.53" dur="00:00:04.73">&gt;&gt; Thanks for that very interesting talk, Rhami.</p>
    <p begin="01:04:21.26" dur="00:00:02.33">I also have a question about the Gulf states.</p>
    <p begin="01:04:23.59" dur="00:00:05.57">You had the model in which you described<br/>the monarch, the market, and the mosque as,</p>
    <p begin="01:04:29.16" dur="00:00:04.99">as emerging in a, as an analog<br/>to a checks and balances system</p>
    <p begin="01:04:34.15" dur="00:00:04.70">but in the Gulf I was thinking similar<br/>to the person [inaudible] that my,</p>
    <p begin="01:04:38.85" dur="00:00:01.51">my perception is just who are they?</p>
    <p begin="01:04:40.36" dur="00:00:05.74">Do they function more like the three pillars<br/>of, of, of the ruling coalition in a sense</p>
    <p begin="01:04:46.10" dur="00:00:02.65">that the mosque legitimated the monarch</p>
    <p begin="01:04:48.75" dur="00:00:03.00">and the monarchs relatives had<br/>a commanding role in the market.</p>
    <p begin="01:04:51.75" dur="00:00:04.70">And so I was going to ask particularly<br/>on the, with respect to the relationship</p>
    <p begin="01:04:56.45" dur="00:00:05.82">between the mosque and the monarch in the Gulf<br/>states, whether you see a significant changes</p>
    <p begin="01:05:02.27" dur="00:00:07.96">over the past decade in the, you know, in the<br/>opinions of sort of ordinary, ordinary Muslims</p>
    <p begin="01:05:10.23" dur="00:00:03.16">and the leaders of the clerical establishment.</p>
    <p begin="01:05:13.39" dur="00:00:03.72">And whether you see that<br/>change as having locations</p>
    <p begin="01:05:17.11" dur="00:00:03.76">for the political during those countries.</p>
    <p begin="01:05:20.87" dur="00:00:00.38">&gt;&gt; Rhami Khouri: Okay.</p>
    <p begin="01:05:21.25" dur="00:00:01.53">Is this mic on?</p>
    <p begin="01:05:22.78" dur="00:00:01.87">Can you hear it if I just speak like this?</p>
    <p begin="01:05:24.65" dur="00:00:00.97">&gt;&gt; No.</p>
    <p begin="01:05:25.62" dur="00:00:01.24">&gt;&gt; Rhami Khouri: Is this for Homeland Security?</p>
    <p begin="01:05:26.86" dur="00:00:00.74">No, I&apos;m just joking.</p>
    <p begin="01:05:27.60" dur="00:00:00.40">[ Laughter ]</p>
    <p begin="01:05:28.00" dur="00:00:00.97">That&apos;s a joke.</p>
    <p begin="01:05:28.97" dur="00:00:06.13">That was a joke if anybody from<br/>Homeland Security was listening.</p>
    <p begin="01:05:35.10" dur="00:00:05.56">[Laughter] The, the Gulf is very<br/>different, clearly, because of the wealth,</p>
    <p begin="01:05:40.66" dur="00:00:04.89">the young age of these countries,<br/>the small size of them.</p>
    <p begin="01:05:45.55" dur="00:00:06.79">I made a calculation a few years<br/>ago which was a little bit sort</p>
    <p begin="01:05:52.34" dur="00:00:02.22">of me- not mean but a little sensitive.</p>
    <p begin="01:05:54.56" dur="00:00:01.88">But I -- but I made a calculation.</p>
    <p begin="01:05:56.44" dur="00:00:05.37">This was back in the s- in the 70&apos;s that in<br/>one small Gulf state which I will not mention</p>
    <p begin="01:06:01.81" dur="00:00:04.72">that you could put the entire population<br/>of the indigenous natives on the fleet</p>
    <p begin="01:06:06.53" dur="00:00:02.45">of one major international airline.</p>
    <p begin="01:06:08.98" dur="00:00:02.66">And so you&apos;re not dealing<br/>with large populations.</p>
    <p begin="01:06:11.64" dur="00:00:06.07">You&apos;re dealing with very small populations,<br/>very young countries actively involved</p>
    <p begin="01:06:17.71" dur="00:00:03.84">in not just the state building<br/>but creating an identity.</p>
    <p begin="01:06:21.55" dur="00:00:05.58">And you have great variations across<br/>the regions, there&apos;s no doubt about it.</p>
    <p begin="01:06:27.13" dur="00:00:03.54">You take some Gulf countries like Kuwait<br/>and if you look at the election results</p>
    <p begin="01:06:30.67" dur="00:00:05.49">or Bahrain you see the involvement<br/>of the powerful role</p>
    <p begin="01:06:36.16" dur="00:00:03.48">of the monarchy, the political authority.</p>
    <p begin="01:06:39.64" dur="00:00:03.40">You see the religious groups<br/>either aligned with the authority</p>
    <p begin="01:06:43.04" dur="00:00:03.62">or in some cases more conservative<br/>than it and challenging it.</p>
    <p begin="01:06:46.66" dur="00:00:07.16">Or involved in some Islamist political parties<br/>which you can see in places like Kuwait</p>
    <p begin="01:06:53.82" dur="00:00:03.67">or Bahrain where you have some public politics.</p>
    <p begin="01:06:57.49" dur="00:00:05.11">In other countries, you don&apos;t have public<br/>politics and you don&apos;t have any kind</p>
    <p begin="01:07:02.60" dur="00:00:02.89">of public activism at a political level.</p>
    <p begin="01:07:05.49" dur="00:00:04.07">It just doesn&apos;t exist in countries<br/>like Qatar, U.A.E., and Oman,</p>
    <p begin="01:07:09.56" dur="00:00:02.38">there is no political infrastructure.</p>
    <p begin="01:07:11.94" dur="00:00:06.97">But in Kuwait and Bahrain, Saudi Arabia<br/>to some extent, you see signs of this</p>
    <p begin="01:07:18.91" dur="00:00:04.26">and it manifests itself through the<br/>Islamic groups and manifests itself</p>
    <p begin="01:07:23.17" dur="00:00:03.01">through business groups, the private<br/>sector and through the ruling elite.</p>
    <p begin="01:07:26.18" dur="00:00:01.78">So it varies a lot.</p>
    <p begin="01:07:27.96" dur="00:00:01.02">There isn&apos;t one model.</p>
    <p begin="01:07:28.98" dur="00:00:05.58">I just mentioned these three groups as the three<br/>broad conglomerations of power and legitimacy</p>
    <p begin="01:07:34.56" dur="00:00:05.95">and authority that you can see<br/>in every, in every country.</p>
    <p begin="01:07:40.51" dur="00:00:06.55">[ Silence ]</p>
    <p begin="01:07:47.06" dur="00:00:01.35">&gt;&gt; Hello. Thanks for that talk.</p>
    <p begin="01:07:48.41" dur="00:00:11.03">I&apos;m wondering if you would have some idea<br/>of how much money from the U.S., you know,</p>
    <p begin="01:07:59.44" dur="00:00:03.86">take all the money in all the<br/>military that&apos;s been there</p>
    <p begin="01:08:03.30" dur="00:00:04.65">and how many Arabs has that money killed?</p>
    <p begin="01:08:07.95" dur="00:00:00.87">&gt;&gt; Rhami Khouri: How many what?</p>
    <p begin="01:08:08.82" dur="00:00:04.03">&gt;&gt; Arabs has that money killed?</p>
    <p begin="01:08:12.85" dur="00:00:02.66">&gt;&gt; Rhami Khouri: You could<br/>probably [technical difficulty]</p>
    <p begin="01:08:15.51" dur="00:00:04.98">[ Silence ]</p>
    <p begin="01:08:20.49" dur="00:00:04.78">&gt;&gt; It&apos;s hard to trace it<br/>back to any one country.</p>
    <p begin="01:08:25.27" dur="00:00:03.68">You really have to spread<br/>the blame around, I think.</p>
    <p begin="01:08:28.95" dur="00:00:08.01">Clearly there&apos;s a problem with Arab governments<br/>spending hundreds and hundreds of billions</p>
    <p begin="01:08:36.96" dur="00:00:05.61">of dollars on buying imported arms from the<br/>U.S., and the U.S. the importer-exporter,</p>
    <p begin="01:08:42.57" dur="00:00:03.09">but Russia, the Europeans, everybody sells.</p>
    <p begin="01:08:45.66" dur="00:00:05.86">And in the end when they feel a little threat,<br/>they feel threatened as recently we saw</p>
    <p begin="01:08:51.52" dur="00:00:03.66">on the Wiki leaks, some Arab leaders<br/>worried about Iran, they go to the U.S.</p>
    <p begin="01:08:55.18" dur="00:00:01.67">and they say, &quot;Please, do the job for us.&quot;</p>
    <p begin="01:08:56.85" dur="00:00:02.75">Or even they turn to the, they<br/>say, if the Israelis are going</p>
    <p begin="01:08:59.60" dur="00:00:01.16">to do it, let them do it quickly.</p>
    <p begin="01:09:00.76" dur="00:00:06.52">So I think there&apos;s a question about, you<br/>know, the armaments that have been bought</p>
    <p begin="01:09:07.28" dur="00:00:04.39">from the U.S. and others, how much use are they.</p>
    <p begin="01:09:11.67" dur="00:00:05.64">I think the question of how many people have<br/>died and who is responsible for that really has</p>
    <p begin="01:09:17.31" dur="00:00:06.13">to be seen in the context of culpability<br/>that has to be shared by many people.</p>
    <p begin="01:09:23.44" dur="00:00:06.73">I think the main ones would be the, the<br/>Arab governments and the Israeli government</p>
    <p begin="01:09:30.17" dur="00:00:02.34">in terms of wars and active killings.</p>
    <p begin="01:09:32.51" dur="00:00:03.15">You have to really look within the region.</p>
    <p begin="01:09:35.66" dur="00:00:02.93">And the United States has a<br/>role, the British have a role.</p>
    <p begin="01:09:38.59" dur="00:00:03.63">I mean, you can blame the British and the<br/>French for a lot of historical hangovers.</p>
    <p begin="01:09:42.22" dur="00:00:02.82">The fact that we have all these tensions</p>
    <p begin="01:09:45.04" dur="00:00:03.04">and conflicts is partly due<br/>to the historical legacy.</p>
    <p begin="01:09:48.08" dur="00:00:04.04">So there&apos;s a lot of blame<br/>to go around but I think...</p>
    <p begin="01:09:52.12" dur="00:00:01.78">&gt;&gt; [Inaudible] say is within the last 10 years?</p>
    <p begin="01:09:53.90" dur="00:00:00.79">&gt;&gt; Rhami Khouri: Pardon?</p>
    <p begin="01:09:54.69" dur="00:00:01.37">&gt;&gt; Within the last 10 years.</p>
    <p begin="01:09:56.06" dur="00:00:02.61">&gt;&gt; Rhami Khouri: Well, in the last 10 years<br/>if you&apos;re talking about the war in Iraq</p>
    <p begin="01:09:58.67" dur="00:00:03.68">and other things then you&apos;re<br/>probably talking of a couple</p>
    <p begin="01:10:02.35" dur="00:00:02.05">of hundred thousand people<br/>possibly but who knows?</p>
    <p begin="01:10:04.40" dur="00:00:01.06">I mean, this is contested.</p>
    <p begin="01:10:05.46" dur="00:00:02.74">But a lot, I mean, a lot<br/>of people have been killed.</p>
    <p begin="01:10:08.20" dur="00:00:05.90">I think that we, we really, we need to do<br/>these analyses very accurately and carefully.</p>
    <p begin="01:10:14.10" dur="00:00:06.66">It&apos;s really important to make sure that when,<br/>if we do a calculation like that and say, &quot;Okay,</p>
    <p begin="01:10:20.76" dur="00:00:03.45">we can blame the U.S. for<br/>this amount of dead Arabs.&quot;</p>
    <p begin="01:10:24.21" dur="00:00:03.46">If that can be done, it really<br/>needs to be done with great care.</p>
    <p begin="01:10:27.67" dur="00:00:02.90">I couldn&apos;t possibly give you a figure right now.</p>
    <p begin="01:10:30.57" dur="00:00:03.83">I mean, even the number of Iraqis<br/>that have been killed is disputed.</p>
    <p begin="01:10:34.40" dur="00:00:05.04">The scholars who study these things<br/>keep having a different formula for how</p>
    <p begin="01:10:39.44" dur="00:00:04.41">to calculate the number of people who have died<br/>and of those who died, how many can be blamed</p>
    <p begin="01:10:43.85" dur="00:00:05.37">on Iraqi causes, other regional players?</p>
    <p begin="01:10:49.22" dur="00:00:03.58">And if you talk about the Arab-Israeli<br/>conflict then where do you put the blame?</p>
    <p begin="01:10:52.80" dur="00:00:04.53">On the Arab leaders, on Israel, on<br/>-- so it&apos;s very, very complicated.</p>
    <p begin="01:10:57.33" dur="00:00:05.92">And I, I think, you know, one of our<br/>challenges is to understand the problems</p>
    <p begin="01:11:03.25" dur="00:00:02.75">that have brought us here,<br/>to understand these forces.</p>
    <p begin="01:11:06.00" dur="00:00:01.23">And that&apos;s what I tried to do a little bit.</p>
    <p begin="01:11:07.23" dur="00:00:02.91">Say, &quot;Well, here&apos;s a bunch<br/>of reasons how we got here.&quot;</p>
    <p begin="01:11:10.14" dur="00:00:04.89">But I think we really have to focus on<br/>how to we get out of this mess and we get</p>
    <p begin="01:11:15.03" dur="00:00:05.89">out of this mess I think by basically trying<br/>to apply the rule of law evenly for everybody,</p>
    <p begin="01:11:20.92" dur="00:00:05.85">to have one standard of law and morality<br/>and that applies to U.N. resolutions.</p>
    <p begin="01:11:26.77" dur="00:00:03.14">It applies to peaceful use of nuclear energy.</p>
    <p begin="01:11:29.91" dur="00:00:03.16">It applies to security guarantees.</p>
    <p begin="01:11:33.07" dur="00:00:02.33">It applies to national self-determination.</p>
    <p begin="01:11:35.40" dur="00:00:07.17">I mean, in all of these areas, Arabs,<br/>Israelis, Iranians, Turks, Cypriots, Americans,</p>
    <p begin="01:11:42.57" dur="00:00:06.34">everybody needs to feel that they are<br/>being treated according to a single,</p>
    <p begin="01:11:48.91" dur="00:00:03.43">common standard of law and<br/>morality and that&apos;s not the case.</p>
    <p begin="01:11:52.34" dur="00:00:04.41">And that&apos;s why we have all of these tensions.</p>
    <p begin="01:11:56.75" dur="00:00:07.50">So I think it&apos;s really critical to understand<br/>the issues of how we got here and the waste</p>
    <p begin="01:12:04.25" dur="00:00:03.45">of money and human deaths, etcetera.</p>
    <p begin="01:12:07.70" dur="00:00:03.50">But not to get stuck in that<br/>and to try to figure</p>
    <p begin="01:12:11.20" dur="00:00:02.38">out well how do we prevent<br/>that from happening again?</p>
    <p begin="01:12:13.58" dur="00:00:03.00">You know, you know, hundreds of<br/>thousands of people have died</p>
    <p begin="01:12:16.58" dur="00:00:03.05">in the Middle East in the last two generations.</p>
    <p begin="01:12:19.63" dur="00:00:02.88">So how do we reduce that<br/>death toll as we look ahead?</p>
    <p begin="01:12:22.51" dur="00:00:05.45">[ Technical difficulty ]</p>
    <p begin="01:12:27.96" dur="00:00:03.19">&gt;&gt; ...some questions regarding<br/>Lebanon and the issues in Lebanon</p>
    <p begin="01:12:31.15" dur="00:00:03.87">that could potentially influence<br/>the broader Middle East.</p>
    <p begin="01:12:35.02" dur="00:00:05.04">The first question is regarding the<br/>Hariri assassination and the recent issues</p>
    <p begin="01:12:40.06" dur="00:00:04.56">with the tribunal that have gotten even<br/>its neighbors talking including Israel.</p>
    <p begin="01:12:44.62" dur="00:00:05.67">How do you see the, the tribunal affecting<br/>not only Lebanon but the broader Middle East,</p>
    <p begin="01:12:50.29" dur="00:00:03.47">specifically, what are your<br/>predications on what, what,</p>
    <p begin="01:12:53.76" dur="00:00:05.67">what the tribunal will discover<br/>and, and what are the effects of it?</p>
    <p begin="01:12:59.43" dur="00:00:04.93">And then my second question is regarding<br/>Wiki leaks, a specific Wiki leak that came</p>
    <p begin="01:13:04.36" dur="00:00:06.65">out last night about Saudi Arabia wanting to<br/>develop an Arab army to counter Hezbollah.</p>
    <p begin="01:13:11.01" dur="00:00:03.83">Do you see that as feasible, number one?</p>
    <p begin="01:13:14.84" dur="00:00:06.53">And number two, is that an, an inter-Arab<br/>conflict, a conflict between Iran and the Arabs,</p>
    <p begin="01:13:21.37" dur="00:00:04.00">or a conflict between pro-Western and<br/>anti-Western forces in the region?</p>
    <p begin="01:13:25.37" dur="00:00:01.14">&gt;&gt; Rhami Khouri: Which was that last one?</p>
    <p begin="01:13:26.51" dur="00:00:04.53">[ Technical difficulty ]</p>
    <p begin="01:13:31.04" dur="00:00:01.08">&gt;&gt; ...the Western forces in the region.</p>
    <p begin="01:13:32.12" dur="00:00:02.37">&gt;&gt; Rhami Khouri: The -- which<br/>country are you talking about?</p>
    <p begin="01:13:34.49" dur="00:00:00.83">Lebanon or...</p>
    <p begin="01:13:35.32" dur="00:00:04.55">&gt;&gt; The, the, idea that Saudi Arabia<br/>wants to develop an Arab army and to...</p>
    <p begin="01:13:39.87" dur="00:00:01.33">&gt;&gt; Rhami Khouri: To fight Hezbollah.</p>
    <p begin="01:13:41.20" dur="00:00:02.04">Okay, I just heard about that briefly.</p>
    <p begin="01:13:43.24" dur="00:00:02.82">I haven&apos;t actually read the story.</p>
    <p begin="01:13:46.06" dur="00:00:03.71">There&apos;s a lot of people in the Arab<br/>world who are critical of Hezbollah.</p>
    <p begin="01:13:49.77" dur="00:00:05.34">Saudi Arabia hinted back in the 2006<br/>war when Israel was fighting Hezbollah,</p>
    <p begin="01:13:55.11" dur="00:00:04.16">the Saudis made a hint that<br/>Hezbollah shouldn&apos;t have done this,</p>
    <p begin="01:13:59.27" dur="00:00:01.26">that they were critical of Hezbollah.</p>
    <p begin="01:14:00.53" dur="00:00:03.58">And many people in the Arab world<br/>openly criticize Hezbollah now.</p>
    <p begin="01:14:04.11" dur="00:00:06.61">You have to excuse my eating, I have a bit of<br/>an allergy so I&apos;m, I&apos;m not being disrespectful</p>
    <p begin="01:14:10.72" dur="00:00:01.55">but I don&apos;t want to lose my voice.</p>
    <p begin="01:14:12.27" dur="00:00:02.67">Though maybe if somebody wanted<br/>me to lose my voice but then...</p>
    <p begin="01:14:14.94" dur="00:00:00.58">[laughter] -- too late.</p>
    <p begin="01:14:15.52" dur="00:00:04.77">There&apos;s many people who are<br/>critical of Hezbollah.</p>
    <p begin="01:14:20.29" dur="00:00:04.56">And, and this -- I said that you have this<br/>alignment of groups in this kind of new Cold War</p>
    <p begin="01:14:24.85" dur="00:00:04.17">in the region with the Iranians,<br/>Syrians, Hezbollah, Hamas,</p>
    <p begin="01:14:29.02" dur="00:00:02.83">nationalists, all kinds of groups on one side.</p>
    <p begin="01:14:31.85" dur="00:00:03.98">On the other side you have conservative<br/>Arab groups, the U.S., Europeans,</p>
    <p begin="01:14:35.83" dur="00:00:05.23">sometimes with Israel, different alignments<br/>of pro-Western forces in the Arab world</p>
    <p begin="01:14:41.06" dur="00:00:03.00">who are critical of the Islamists,<br/>critical of Iran.</p>
    <p begin="01:14:44.06" dur="00:00:04.85">They, they are now fighting each other in many<br/>different ways, sometimes actively militarily</p>
    <p begin="01:14:48.91" dur="00:00:04.22">when there&apos;s a military fight like<br/>in Yemen or in Lebanon once or twice.</p>
    <p begin="01:14:53.13" dur="00:00:04.54">But they do it mostly ideologically<br/>through the media, culturally,</p>
    <p begin="01:14:57.67" dur="00:00:02.31">and diplomatically and in other ways.</p>
    <p begin="01:14:59.98" dur="00:00:01.97">And, you know, if they -- I<br/>don&apos;t know if there&apos;s truth --</p>
    <p begin="01:15:01.95" dur="00:00:02.03">the report about the Saudis is true.</p>
    <p begin="01:15:03.98" dur="00:00:01.34">It shouldn&apos;t be surprising.</p>
    <p begin="01:15:05.32" dur="00:00:03.56">The Saudis have expressed their<br/>concerns about movements like Hezbollah.</p>
    <p begin="01:15:08.88" dur="00:00:05.69">The Saudis have clearly expressed their<br/>concerns about what Iran is doing and we have,</p>
    <p begin="01:15:14.57" dur="00:00:02.21">thanks to the U.S. invasion of Iraq,</p>
    <p begin="01:15:16.78" dur="00:00:07.83">we have allowed what had been a<br/>low-intensity Shiite-Sunni theological tension</p>
    <p begin="01:15:24.61" dur="00:00:05.52">and cultural tension to emerge into a full-blown<br/>public exercise of ethnic cleansing and,</p>
    <p begin="01:15:30.13" dur="00:00:02.03">and, and barbarism on both sides.</p>
    <p begin="01:15:32.16" dur="00:00:03.80">People in Iraq particularly but you see<br/>in other places killing each other just</p>
    <p begin="01:15:35.96" dur="00:00:01.35">because they are Sunnis and Shiites.</p>
    <p begin="01:15:37.31" dur="00:00:05.20">We never had this kind of level of<br/>conflict in the Arab world before.</p>
    <p begin="01:15:42.51" dur="00:00:05.37">The tensions that were there between Sunnis and<br/>Shiites were, were, were of a different nature.</p>
    <p begin="01:15:47.88" dur="00:00:04.79">And so this is just a reflection of<br/>this bigger problem that we have --</p>
    <p begin="01:15:52.67" dur="00:00:04.68">the Iranian influence with<br/>various Shiite Arab groups.</p>
    <p begin="01:15:57.35" dur="00:00:03.96">But it&apos;s not just Shiites because Iran<br/>is close to Hamas and there&apos;s many Arabs</p>
    <p begin="01:16:01.31" dur="00:00:05.91">who are not Shiites who like what Iran is<br/>doing so I think we&apos;ve got to be very careful</p>
    <p begin="01:16:07.22" dur="00:00:04.57">about the, you know, Saudi<br/>Hezbollah or Shiite-Sunni tension.</p>
    <p begin="01:16:11.79" dur="00:00:03.01">They are much broader than that.</p>
    <p begin="01:16:14.80" dur="00:00:04.88">I don&apos;t -- Hezbollah is a very strong<br/>group but it is not invincible.</p>
    <p begin="01:16:19.68" dur="00:00:05.36">If, if, if people want to create armies to fight<br/>it and if you get a coalition of Arabs and,</p>
    <p begin="01:16:25.04" dur="00:00:03.76">and Israelis and Americans and<br/>Westerners who want to fight Hezbollah,</p>
    <p begin="01:16:28.80" dur="00:00:03.93">they can probably defeat it one day and<br/>there is a small number of people --</p>
    <p begin="01:16:32.73" dur="00:00:05.89">but the damage would be so enormous that it<br/>would set off a regional conflagration probably.</p>
    <p begin="01:16:38.62" dur="00:00:05.95">So I don&apos;t think there&apos;s a military solution to<br/>the political reality that Hezbollah represents.</p>
    <p begin="01:16:44.57" dur="00:00:05.01">Hezbollah represents a political reality<br/>which I alluded to briefly of this sense</p>
    <p begin="01:16:49.58" dur="00:00:08.90">of defiance and, and of resistance<br/>that demands respect to achieve rights.</p>
    <p begin="01:16:58.48" dur="00:00:06.76">And I think that co- that linear process<br/>of resistance and a sense of righteousness</p>
    <p begin="01:17:05.24" dur="00:00:07.78">to achieve, to, to get respect to achieve<br/>your rights is what helps us understand a lot</p>
    <p begin="01:17:13.02" dur="00:00:02.38">of what&apos;s going on in the Middle East.</p>
    <p begin="01:17:15.40" dur="00:00:06.08">The answer I think, the better answer is to<br/>ask, well, what is Hezbollah trying to do?</p>
    <p begin="01:17:21.48" dur="00:00:01.55">What does Hezbollah represent?</p>
    <p begin="01:17:23.03" dur="00:00:02.57">And other groups like it in the region?</p>
    <p begin="01:17:25.60" dur="00:00:01.70">What do the Iranians want?</p>
    <p begin="01:17:27.30" dur="00:00:07.24">Not to just say these are bad people or they are<br/>evil people or they are terrorists or whatever</p>
    <p begin="01:17:34.54" dur="00:00:03.75">or point out some statement they made<br/>in 1982 and say they are anti-Semites</p>
    <p begin="01:17:38.29" dur="00:00:03.22">or they are anti this or they are<br/>anti that, say what do they want?</p>
    <p begin="01:17:41.51" dur="00:00:03.69">By talking to them first of all and<br/>understanding what they want and then saying,</p>
    <p begin="01:17:45.20" dur="00:00:03.03">&quot;Okay, here&apos;s 10 things that<br/>they say they want.&quot;</p>
    <p begin="01:17:48.23" dur="00:00:02.19">How many of those things are<br/>reasonable and legitimate?</p>
    <p begin="01:17:50.42" dur="00:00:03.07">Is there an international consensus<br/>for what they are asking for</p>
    <p begin="01:17:53.49" dur="00:00:03.08">or are they just outrageously<br/>crazy, violent people?</p>
    <p begin="01:17:56.57" dur="00:00:05.74">I think that kind of exercise is much more<br/>useful to engage them in some kind of process</p>
    <p begin="01:18:02.31" dur="00:00:07.46">that provides for all sides what I said before<br/>-- the application of a single standard of law</p>
    <p begin="01:18:09.77" dur="00:00:03.30">and morality, for Iran, for<br/>Israel, for Hezbollah,</p>
    <p begin="01:18:13.07" dur="00:00:02.31">for Saudi Arabia, for the U.S., for everybody.</p>
    <p begin="01:18:15.38" dur="00:00:02.72">That&apos;s a much better way to<br/>try to address the issue than,</p>
    <p begin="01:18:18.10" dur="00:00:03.07">you know, getting armies to attack people.</p>
    <p begin="01:18:21.17" dur="00:00:04.61">And the cost of, of, of regional<br/>warfare now will be much,</p>
    <p begin="01:18:25.78" dur="00:00:02.69">much higher than anything<br/>that we&apos;ve seen before.</p>
    <p begin="01:18:28.47" dur="00:00:05.67">The Lebanon tribunal issue is a<br/>very significant historical issue.</p>
    <p begin="01:18:34.14" dur="00:00:05.90">It represents the culmination of tensions and<br/>pressures that I believe have been building</p>
    <p begin="01:18:40.04" dur="00:00:03.68">up in the region for a couple of hundred years.</p>
    <p begin="01:18:43.72" dur="00:00:05.64">The -- Hezbollah represents the,<br/>represents the high watermark</p>
    <p begin="01:18:49.36" dur="00:00:06.20">of indigenous Islamic Arab nationalist<br/>resistance to Western intervention</p>
    <p begin="01:18:55.56" dur="00:00:07.79">and the tribunal is a symbolic representation<br/>of a century of Western intervention</p>
    <p begin="01:19:03.35" dur="00:00:03.49">in our region and the two are now clashing.</p>
    <p begin="01:19:06.84" dur="00:00:02.16">The tribunal is a security council.</p>
    <p begin="01:19:09.00" dur="00:00:06.35">Unanimous, legitimate resolution being<br/>implemented to find the killers of Hariri</p>
    <p begin="01:19:15.35" dur="00:00:05.53">and hold them accountable in a fair court and<br/>the majority of Lebanese want that to happen.</p>
    <p begin="01:19:20.88" dur="00:00:02.89">They don&apos;t want these killings to go on.</p>
    <p begin="01:19:23.77" dur="00:00:03.64">But there are people who are critical<br/>of what the tribunal is doing.</p>
    <p begin="01:19:27.41" dur="00:00:04.50">Hezbollah and others, they&apos;ve raised<br/>serious objections so I think it&apos;s a --</p>
    <p begin="01:19:31.91" dur="00:00:04.42">you have to separate the political<br/>process from the legal process somehow.</p>
    <p begin="01:19:36.33" dur="00:00:05.68">Holding people accountable to the rule of<br/>law needs to be done but it&apos;s got to be done</p>
    <p begin="01:19:42.01" dur="00:00:03.47">on the basis of a convincing<br/>process of investigation,</p>
    <p begin="01:19:45.48" dur="00:00:02.64">production of evidence, and holding a trial.</p>
    <p begin="01:19:48.12" dur="00:00:05.12">There are serious complaints about whether this<br/>process up to now has been fair, transparent,</p>
    <p begin="01:19:53.24" dur="00:00:03.88">and equitable and these complaints<br/>need to be addressed.</p>
    <p begin="01:19:57.12" dur="00:00:02.05">They are serious complaints.</p>
    <p begin="01:19:59.17" dur="00:00:07.70">You can&apos;t railroad this tribunal and<br/>just ram it down the throats of people.</p>
    <p begin="01:20:06.87" dur="00:00:03.44">So I think this is a complicated<br/>process that needs</p>
    <p begin="01:20:10.31" dur="00:00:02.44">to be separated from political and legal issues.</p>
    <p begin="01:20:12.75" dur="00:00:05.06">It&apos;s also become a symbol of<br/>this wider regional Cold War.</p>
    <p begin="01:20:17.81" dur="00:00:05.10">The Syrians and the, and Hezbollah believe that<br/>the tribunal and the investigation were designed</p>
    <p begin="01:20:22.91" dur="00:00:04.22">from the beginning to, to get<br/>the Syrians and to get Hezbollah</p>
    <p begin="01:20:27.13" dur="00:00:01.34">and therefore they are fighting back.</p>
    <p begin="01:20:28.47" dur="00:00:03.25">So it&apos;s extremely complicated,<br/>very delicate moment.</p>
    <p begin="01:20:31.72" dur="00:00:05.15">If it&apos;s not handled well, it could lead to<br/>again great problems, fighting in Lebanon</p>
    <p begin="01:20:36.87" dur="00:00:01.69">which might spread to other places.</p>
    <p begin="01:20:38.56" dur="00:00:05.45">The good news is that the Syrians and the<br/>Saudis, the two poles of Arab ideology,</p>
    <p begin="01:20:44.01" dur="00:00:04.97">are working together very closely to<br/>minimize the potential for an explosion.</p>
    <p begin="01:20:48.98" dur="00:00:02.82">They understand how serious<br/>it would be if it happened.</p>
    <p begin="01:20:51.80" dur="00:00:05.49">They are working together very closely to<br/>minimize that and there&apos;s active engagement</p>
    <p begin="01:20:57.29" dur="00:00:02.57">with the Iranians and the Lebanese<br/>and the Americans and everybody.</p>
    <p begin="01:20:59.86" dur="00:00:03.14">So it&apos;s an extremely complicated situation.</p>
    <p begin="01:21:03.00" dur="00:00:04.34">I believe that they will come<br/>up with a solution that allows</p>
    <p begin="01:21:07.34" dur="00:00:04.58">for a reasonable implementation of justice...</p>
    <p begin="01:21:11.92" dur="00:00:01.73">&gt;&gt; Norman Bishara: Rhami, thank<br/>you so much but we&apos;re out of time.</p>
    <p begin="01:21:13.65" dur="00:00:00.62">We appreciate your...</p>
    <p begin="01:21:14.27" dur="00:00:01.42">&gt;&gt; Rhami Khouri: Thank you.</p>
    <p begin="01:21:15.69" dur="00:00:01.82">Thank you very much.</p>
    <p begin="01:21:17.51" dur="00:00:04.96">[ Applause - Inaudible ]</p>
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